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Precipitation rather than wind drives the response of East Asian forests to tropical cyclones
- 1Research Center for Environmental Changes, Academia Sinica, Taipei, 11529, Taiwan
- 2Faculty of Science, Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam, Amsterdam, 1081, The Netherlands
- 1Research Center for Environmental Changes, Academia Sinica, Taipei, 11529, Taiwan
- 2Faculty of Science, Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam, Amsterdam, 1081, The Netherlands
Abstract. Forests disturbance by tropical cyclones is documented by field studies of exceptionally strong cyclones and satellite-based approaches attributing decreases in leaf area. The biases that come with such approaches may limit our understanding of the impact of cyclones in general. This study overcomes such biases by starting the analysis from the observed storm tracks rather than the observed damage. Changes in forest leaf area in East Asia were assessed by jointly analyzing the cyclone tracks, climate reanalysis, and changes in satellite-based leaf area following the passage of 145 ± 42 cyclones. Sixty days following their passage, 14 ± 6 % of the cyclones resulted in a decrease and 55 ± 21 % showed no change in leaf area compared to nearby forest outside the storm track. For a surprising 31 ± 6 % of the cyclones, an increase in leaf area was observed. Further analysis revealed that cyclones bringing abundant precipitation to dry forest soils in summer could relieve water stress within the storm track increasing its leaf area compared to vegetation outside the storm track. This observation calls for refining the present-day view of cyclones as agents of destruction toward a more nuanced vision that recognizes that cyclones could have minor or even positive effects on leaf area and as such on forest growth.
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Yi-Ying Chen and Sebastiaan Luyssaert
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RC1: 'Comment on bg-2022-115', Anonymous Referee #1, 01 Jun 2022
This study used an “unbiased data-set” to explore the relationship between typhoons and forest leaf area in East Asia and reported that near 1/3 of the typhoons had positive effects on leaf area due to increased water availability. It is true that the selection of typhoons in this is not biased toward intense ones and as such represented an overall assessment of typhoon effects on forest leaf area. It is also somehow true that the positive effect of typhoons on leaf area is surprising (counter intuition). Although I think this is an informative study, there are several points need to be clarified.
- It is true that most studies of cyclone (typhoon) disturbance effects focused on major cyclones such that the effects of typhoons on ecosystems are disproportionally derived from studies of these major typhoons. However, I do not think that researchers assume that their studies represent the overall effect of typhoons on ecosystems. I think the studies tried to show that major typhoons could have large impact on ecosystems. With some exceptions, intense typhoons generally caused greater damage. Naturally weak typhoons (e.g., category 1) are unlikely to cause large canopy damage. Thus, I think one piece of information that needs to be added to the manuscript is the proportions of typhoons of different intensity categories for the typhoons passed the selection in this study. Related to this, I would also suggest break the analysis by intensity categories of typhoons. If the patterns stay the same (i.e., 30% typhoon did not cause detectable canopy damage) among all categories, that would be a much more interesting finding. If on the other hand, the proportion of no-damage concentrated among weaker typhoons, the results would basically confirmed the findings of previous studies. Also related to this is the definition of the width of the cyclone track area. I wonder if a more conservative definition is used, would the results stay the same. Because wind velocity decreases with increasing distance from the typhoon eye. A liberal definition is likely to include areas with not strong winds and as such it is not surprising to see limited typhoon impact on forest leaf area. It is important to note that in situ wind speed experienced by the forests could be very different from that of the global dataset.
- The use of images two months following typhoon disturbance bothers me. In tropical and subtropical region, plant growth could be very quick so that leaf area could increase substantially in two months, with and without typhoon disturbance. Even for late typhoons the phenological change could be substantial because most of the affected areas are in the subtropics with long growing season. Thus, I am concerned that the seemly positive effect of typhoon on forest leaf area could be an artifact of the long duration between typhoon passage and image acquisition.
- The most interesting finding of this study is the positive effect of typhoon on leaf area which was attributed to increased water availability. I have several concerns on this finding. First, as described above most of the increase in leaf area could be from weak typhoons. In this case, it is not surprising because weak typhoons are not expect to have major impact on forests. This has been reported before. Second, also as described above the use of a liberal definition of typhoon track width could also lead to this positive effect because the wind velocity is naturally low in parts of the affected area. Third, the two months interval between typhoon passage and image acquisition described above could also lead to the positive effect. A combination of weak intensity, liberal definition of track width and long duration between typhoon passage and image acquisition makes the claim of positive effect of typhoon on forest leaf area problematic. I am not saying that the finding is not true but the above possibilities must be excluded before such a conclusion can be made with confidence. I would also like to see the changes in leaf area in the reference areas during the same period. If leaf area also increased at the similar magnitude, then attributing the effect to typhoons needs more explanation.
- The definition of a reference area of less than 0.5 unit different in leaf area form the affected areas need to be put in the relative leaf area context. What are the range of leaf area? This is important because 0.5 for a leaf area index of 7.0 means very different from 0.5 for a leaf area index of 4.0. In other words, it could be reasonable difference to ignore for a forest with leaf area index of 7.0 but a substantial difference for a forest with leaf area index of 4.0.
- The figures are mainly about the statistical results. I do not see any results on the actual leaf area and it changes. Thus, the paper is more statistical than ecological/biological.
- I am not all convinced that less than 1/3 of the typhoons passed the quality control check is representative of the overall typhoons in the region.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Yi-Ying Chen, 21 Jul 2022
We would like to thank both referees for their insightful comments on the original manuscript. Referee 1 and 2 commented on criteria that were used to select/exclude a cyclone from further analyses resulting in a revised set of criteria. These revised criteria will require re-running the entire analysis and remaking all figures and tables. The figures presented in this reply should, therefore, be considered as examples showing how the revised figures could address referee comments but are not final. Please find the supplement/pdf file for our replies to the comments.
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RC2: 'Comment on bg-2022-115', Anonymous Referee #2, 03 Jun 2022
General comments:
The authors present an analysis regarding how the leaf area index of east Asian forests are affected by cyclones. Changes in LAI are analyzed along the storm tracks of 20 years of tropical cyclones. The authors find that more often than not, the positive impacts of precipitation on LAI outway the negative impacts of cyclone wind.
Overall I think there are some interesting results from this study and it seems like the analysis has been carefully done.
I do have many issues with how certain studies are cited (see line comments), so I think the attribution of findings needs to be done far more carefully. This is my main criticism of the study, so I hope if there is a revised manuscript, that the attribution of citations will not have so many large mistakes.
Also, it might be a bit contrived to state that it is surprising that cyclones could benefit LAI by increased rainfall. Cyclones bring rainfall over a larger area than the area where they deliver high wind speeds. But this is not a big issue, as it is good to quantify these things. I would argue that the title is a bit too broad and assertive of the occasional positive precipitation effect on LAI. We should keep in mind that this is an analysis focused on the (satellite estimated) LAI of East Asian forests, but that there are several other important other aspects relating to forest response to cyclones that this study does not address (e.g. tree mortality and damage, branchfall, landslides, floods, etc). In my opinion, and even in light of these results, the current title overstates the importance of precipitation on forest responses to cyclones.
Specific comments:
* Mha (mega hectares?) is not easy to interpret as a unit. I suggest the authors convert this to km2.
* A lot of unnecessary acronyms are used, which make the MS more difficult to read. Given the looser length requirements of Biogeosciences, I suggest using as few acronyms as possible.
* Some of the sentences are overly long. Reducing these run-on sentences would help.
* A figure, or alteration to one of the existing figures, would be useful for the reader to understand where forests currently exist in the region.
* It is unclear how much of a buffer was applied to the central track of each storm for selecting which pixel locations were affected by cyclones.
* Minor methodological question: How were pixel locations dealt with that received multiple cyclones within the same year?
* Kudos to the authors for adhering to policies regarding open data and reproducible code. One comment is that the git repository for the code linked on Zenodo is exceptionally large at nearly one GB. Perhaps posting another git repo of the final code (with no commit history to reduce size) would be useful. I could be wrong.
Line and Figure Comments:
Figure 1: This is a nice figure but I have some suggestions that I think will increase its interpretability for the reader.
* I strongly suggest not to use decimal degrees in the denominator, given the actual area will vary with latitude. I suggest presenting the Affected Area as a fraction of the total area per year.
* I suggest selecting a color-blind friendly color palette for panel a, and a legend to indicate areas where forest is not the dominant land cover. A legend for the different lines would aid interpretation, in addition to a slightly more detailed or paraphrased explanation in the legend. Maybe rename the groups to something more informative (wind, precipitation, wind and precipitation) than groups a, b, c.
Figure 2: This figure is useful, but I have some suggestions:
* I suggest adding a legend for the surface and cyclone characteristics.* Any reason that SPEI is not used in the random forest analysis, but is used in Figure 3?
* suggest: "Affect area" -> "Affected area"
* I would have thought the boxplot of the decrease in accuracy always be a positive number?
Figure 3:
* It is a bit odd that wind speed (or some other wind metric) is not included here.
* I suggest also briefly describing how this decision tree was derived and selected in the figure caption text.* The numbers in yellow are not going to be very visible if/when this is formatted.
* I know this is sort of the single best decision tree from the ensemble, but perhaps it would be good to report something like an R2 value?
Table A1:
* I suggest spelling out Effect Size, instead of the ES acronym.
Figure A1:
* Copying my comment from Figure 1 -> I strongly suggest not to use decimal degrees in the denominator, given the actual area will vary with latitude. I suggest presenting Forest Area as a fraction of the total area, and presenting Affected area in km^2 yr^-1 km^2 (or just a fraction per year).
* Please spell out 'TC' and add a legend corresponding to the different line types.
Figure A2:
* This figure is quite complicated and I am struggling to interpret it. I suggest using a facet of different panels for each different definition. A legend would also help. Also please remind the reader what C-1 through C-5 are.
Figure A3:
* Minor point: doing significance tests on discretized groupings of a continuous variable is generally not advisable from my understanding of best practices in statistics. The authors may wish to consider a regression, or using a nonlinear generalized additive model to show the increase and decline of the effect size with respect to return frequency.
Figure A4:
*Nice figure, although the color palette is not suitable for the colorblind. The 0-80% stretch seems to miss the focal part of the distribution of the data. Perhaps rescale the color map from 0-50% to improve the contrasts.
* TC acronym unnecessary.L34: I suggest stating the name of the product within each citation.
L74-50: This could be rephrased to be clearer. I suggest using commas to separate clauses.
L133: Would be good to add an average LAI % increase because of the additional rainfall.
L150-151: I don't think this text, or this paragraph, attempting to connect summer dry spells to cyclone generation is really necessary.
L162: This is a bit confusing to me, or at least the wording is around "forest dwarfing". Is small stature of forests being attributed to confer resistance to cyclone damage?
L164-165: "The observed frequency of positive vegetation responses to cyclones suggests that the present day vision of cyclones as agents of destruction" - this statement has problems. First, the reference to the Negrón-Juárez and Nelson studies is incorrect. These studies did not focus on cyclones, but on Amazonian downbursts (sometimes coming from squall lines), which is a very different meteorological process.
Second, the following are a couple papers quantifying the negative impacts of cyclones (and hurricanes) on forest biomass or mortality, which are potentially important counterpoints to the assertion that cyclones may be providing a forest benefit.
(Negrón-Juárez et al., 2014 Remote sensing ; https://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/6/6/5633)
(Negrón-Juárez et al., 2014 Remote Sensing of Environment; https://doi.org/10.1016/j.rse.2013.09.028)(Negrón-Juárez et al., 2010 JGR Biogeosciences; https://doi.org/10.1029/2009JG001221)
Otherwise there is a very large literature of forest disturbance impacts from Central to North American hurricanes. However, I take the authors' point that additional rainfall can (occasionally) result in LAI increases.
L170: The Stuivenvolt-Allen et al 2021 paper refers to increased fire weather in northwestern North America. Again, given what the sentence says, I think this citation is used incorrectly.
L294-296: I think the citations are used incorrectly in this paragraph. "By design, the latter approach is not capable of identifying neutral or positive impacts of cyclones on leaf area." All but one of these studies have nothing to do with cyclones - so why would they be discussed with respect to cyclone precipitation? The Ozdogan et al., 2014 study is not about cyclones, but windthrows caused by downbursts and tornados. Honkavaara et al 2013 is about detecting forest damage from winter ice storms. The Forzieri et al 2020 paper (of which the second author is a co-author of) is about large-scale windstorms over Europe - again, not cyclones, typhoons, or hurricanes. I argue the authors should be far more careful in their review of the literature and attribution of citations.
L304: This seems odd (or perhaps the phrasing is?), the uncertainty almost certainly scales with the magnitude of the LAI estimate. Is 0.18 the domain mean uncertainty over forests? Also what does 0.18 correspond to - a 95% confidence interval?
L306: Minor issue: Should it not be 0.5(sqrt(0.18**2 + 0.18**2)) instead of 0.25(sqrt(0.18**2 + 0.18**2)), because it's within a ±0.25 margin of the affected area?
L315: This statement is a bit concerning - "Events for which ES < \delta ES were not further analyzed". Filtering the data on account of small effect sizes will certainly bias any subsequent analysis. I think the way this is written could use some clarification.
L319-324: Were cyclone characteristics (2 & 3) matched to the corresponding LAI pixel location, or was this an average for the entire trajectory of the cyclone?
L327: A cautionary note that the precipitation from ERA5 is known to have strong biases in many locations. I don't suggest reanalyzing this, but perhaps a more recent version of GPCP or GPM IMGERv6 would be better for this.
L341: This is the citation for the R package "psych", not "factor analysis". By all means cite the R package, but again the attribution of the citation is written incorrectly.
L351: Please restate what the reference period was in this section.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Yi-Ying Chen, 21 Jul 2022
We would like to thank both referees for their insightful comments on the original manuscript. Referee 1 and 2 commented on criteria that were used to select/exclude a cyclone from further analyses resulting in a revised set of criteria. These revised criteria will require re-running the entire analysis and remaking all figures and tables. The figures presented in this reply should, therefore, be considered as examples showing how the revised figures could address referee comments but are not final. Please find the supplement/pdf file for our replies to the comments.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Yi-Ying Chen, 21 Jul 2022
Peer review completion
Interactive discussion
Status: closed
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RC1: 'Comment on bg-2022-115', Anonymous Referee #1, 01 Jun 2022
This study used an “unbiased data-set” to explore the relationship between typhoons and forest leaf area in East Asia and reported that near 1/3 of the typhoons had positive effects on leaf area due to increased water availability. It is true that the selection of typhoons in this is not biased toward intense ones and as such represented an overall assessment of typhoon effects on forest leaf area. It is also somehow true that the positive effect of typhoons on leaf area is surprising (counter intuition). Although I think this is an informative study, there are several points need to be clarified.
- It is true that most studies of cyclone (typhoon) disturbance effects focused on major cyclones such that the effects of typhoons on ecosystems are disproportionally derived from studies of these major typhoons. However, I do not think that researchers assume that their studies represent the overall effect of typhoons on ecosystems. I think the studies tried to show that major typhoons could have large impact on ecosystems. With some exceptions, intense typhoons generally caused greater damage. Naturally weak typhoons (e.g., category 1) are unlikely to cause large canopy damage. Thus, I think one piece of information that needs to be added to the manuscript is the proportions of typhoons of different intensity categories for the typhoons passed the selection in this study. Related to this, I would also suggest break the analysis by intensity categories of typhoons. If the patterns stay the same (i.e., 30% typhoon did not cause detectable canopy damage) among all categories, that would be a much more interesting finding. If on the other hand, the proportion of no-damage concentrated among weaker typhoons, the results would basically confirmed the findings of previous studies. Also related to this is the definition of the width of the cyclone track area. I wonder if a more conservative definition is used, would the results stay the same. Because wind velocity decreases with increasing distance from the typhoon eye. A liberal definition is likely to include areas with not strong winds and as such it is not surprising to see limited typhoon impact on forest leaf area. It is important to note that in situ wind speed experienced by the forests could be very different from that of the global dataset.
- The use of images two months following typhoon disturbance bothers me. In tropical and subtropical region, plant growth could be very quick so that leaf area could increase substantially in two months, with and without typhoon disturbance. Even for late typhoons the phenological change could be substantial because most of the affected areas are in the subtropics with long growing season. Thus, I am concerned that the seemly positive effect of typhoon on forest leaf area could be an artifact of the long duration between typhoon passage and image acquisition.
- The most interesting finding of this study is the positive effect of typhoon on leaf area which was attributed to increased water availability. I have several concerns on this finding. First, as described above most of the increase in leaf area could be from weak typhoons. In this case, it is not surprising because weak typhoons are not expect to have major impact on forests. This has been reported before. Second, also as described above the use of a liberal definition of typhoon track width could also lead to this positive effect because the wind velocity is naturally low in parts of the affected area. Third, the two months interval between typhoon passage and image acquisition described above could also lead to the positive effect. A combination of weak intensity, liberal definition of track width and long duration between typhoon passage and image acquisition makes the claim of positive effect of typhoon on forest leaf area problematic. I am not saying that the finding is not true but the above possibilities must be excluded before such a conclusion can be made with confidence. I would also like to see the changes in leaf area in the reference areas during the same period. If leaf area also increased at the similar magnitude, then attributing the effect to typhoons needs more explanation.
- The definition of a reference area of less than 0.5 unit different in leaf area form the affected areas need to be put in the relative leaf area context. What are the range of leaf area? This is important because 0.5 for a leaf area index of 7.0 means very different from 0.5 for a leaf area index of 4.0. In other words, it could be reasonable difference to ignore for a forest with leaf area index of 7.0 but a substantial difference for a forest with leaf area index of 4.0.
- The figures are mainly about the statistical results. I do not see any results on the actual leaf area and it changes. Thus, the paper is more statistical than ecological/biological.
- I am not all convinced that less than 1/3 of the typhoons passed the quality control check is representative of the overall typhoons in the region.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Yi-Ying Chen, 21 Jul 2022
We would like to thank both referees for their insightful comments on the original manuscript. Referee 1 and 2 commented on criteria that were used to select/exclude a cyclone from further analyses resulting in a revised set of criteria. These revised criteria will require re-running the entire analysis and remaking all figures and tables. The figures presented in this reply should, therefore, be considered as examples showing how the revised figures could address referee comments but are not final. Please find the supplement/pdf file for our replies to the comments.
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RC2: 'Comment on bg-2022-115', Anonymous Referee #2, 03 Jun 2022
General comments:
The authors present an analysis regarding how the leaf area index of east Asian forests are affected by cyclones. Changes in LAI are analyzed along the storm tracks of 20 years of tropical cyclones. The authors find that more often than not, the positive impacts of precipitation on LAI outway the negative impacts of cyclone wind.
Overall I think there are some interesting results from this study and it seems like the analysis has been carefully done.
I do have many issues with how certain studies are cited (see line comments), so I think the attribution of findings needs to be done far more carefully. This is my main criticism of the study, so I hope if there is a revised manuscript, that the attribution of citations will not have so many large mistakes.
Also, it might be a bit contrived to state that it is surprising that cyclones could benefit LAI by increased rainfall. Cyclones bring rainfall over a larger area than the area where they deliver high wind speeds. But this is not a big issue, as it is good to quantify these things. I would argue that the title is a bit too broad and assertive of the occasional positive precipitation effect on LAI. We should keep in mind that this is an analysis focused on the (satellite estimated) LAI of East Asian forests, but that there are several other important other aspects relating to forest response to cyclones that this study does not address (e.g. tree mortality and damage, branchfall, landslides, floods, etc). In my opinion, and even in light of these results, the current title overstates the importance of precipitation on forest responses to cyclones.
Specific comments:
* Mha (mega hectares?) is not easy to interpret as a unit. I suggest the authors convert this to km2.
* A lot of unnecessary acronyms are used, which make the MS more difficult to read. Given the looser length requirements of Biogeosciences, I suggest using as few acronyms as possible.
* Some of the sentences are overly long. Reducing these run-on sentences would help.
* A figure, or alteration to one of the existing figures, would be useful for the reader to understand where forests currently exist in the region.
* It is unclear how much of a buffer was applied to the central track of each storm for selecting which pixel locations were affected by cyclones.
* Minor methodological question: How were pixel locations dealt with that received multiple cyclones within the same year?
* Kudos to the authors for adhering to policies regarding open data and reproducible code. One comment is that the git repository for the code linked on Zenodo is exceptionally large at nearly one GB. Perhaps posting another git repo of the final code (with no commit history to reduce size) would be useful. I could be wrong.
Line and Figure Comments:
Figure 1: This is a nice figure but I have some suggestions that I think will increase its interpretability for the reader.
* I strongly suggest not to use decimal degrees in the denominator, given the actual area will vary with latitude. I suggest presenting the Affected Area as a fraction of the total area per year.
* I suggest selecting a color-blind friendly color palette for panel a, and a legend to indicate areas where forest is not the dominant land cover. A legend for the different lines would aid interpretation, in addition to a slightly more detailed or paraphrased explanation in the legend. Maybe rename the groups to something more informative (wind, precipitation, wind and precipitation) than groups a, b, c.
Figure 2: This figure is useful, but I have some suggestions:
* I suggest adding a legend for the surface and cyclone characteristics.* Any reason that SPEI is not used in the random forest analysis, but is used in Figure 3?
* suggest: "Affect area" -> "Affected area"
* I would have thought the boxplot of the decrease in accuracy always be a positive number?
Figure 3:
* It is a bit odd that wind speed (or some other wind metric) is not included here.
* I suggest also briefly describing how this decision tree was derived and selected in the figure caption text.* The numbers in yellow are not going to be very visible if/when this is formatted.
* I know this is sort of the single best decision tree from the ensemble, but perhaps it would be good to report something like an R2 value?
Table A1:
* I suggest spelling out Effect Size, instead of the ES acronym.
Figure A1:
* Copying my comment from Figure 1 -> I strongly suggest not to use decimal degrees in the denominator, given the actual area will vary with latitude. I suggest presenting Forest Area as a fraction of the total area, and presenting Affected area in km^2 yr^-1 km^2 (or just a fraction per year).
* Please spell out 'TC' and add a legend corresponding to the different line types.
Figure A2:
* This figure is quite complicated and I am struggling to interpret it. I suggest using a facet of different panels for each different definition. A legend would also help. Also please remind the reader what C-1 through C-5 are.
Figure A3:
* Minor point: doing significance tests on discretized groupings of a continuous variable is generally not advisable from my understanding of best practices in statistics. The authors may wish to consider a regression, or using a nonlinear generalized additive model to show the increase and decline of the effect size with respect to return frequency.
Figure A4:
*Nice figure, although the color palette is not suitable for the colorblind. The 0-80% stretch seems to miss the focal part of the distribution of the data. Perhaps rescale the color map from 0-50% to improve the contrasts.
* TC acronym unnecessary.L34: I suggest stating the name of the product within each citation.
L74-50: This could be rephrased to be clearer. I suggest using commas to separate clauses.
L133: Would be good to add an average LAI % increase because of the additional rainfall.
L150-151: I don't think this text, or this paragraph, attempting to connect summer dry spells to cyclone generation is really necessary.
L162: This is a bit confusing to me, or at least the wording is around "forest dwarfing". Is small stature of forests being attributed to confer resistance to cyclone damage?
L164-165: "The observed frequency of positive vegetation responses to cyclones suggests that the present day vision of cyclones as agents of destruction" - this statement has problems. First, the reference to the Negrón-Juárez and Nelson studies is incorrect. These studies did not focus on cyclones, but on Amazonian downbursts (sometimes coming from squall lines), which is a very different meteorological process.
Second, the following are a couple papers quantifying the negative impacts of cyclones (and hurricanes) on forest biomass or mortality, which are potentially important counterpoints to the assertion that cyclones may be providing a forest benefit.
(Negrón-Juárez et al., 2014 Remote sensing ; https://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/6/6/5633)
(Negrón-Juárez et al., 2014 Remote Sensing of Environment; https://doi.org/10.1016/j.rse.2013.09.028)(Negrón-Juárez et al., 2010 JGR Biogeosciences; https://doi.org/10.1029/2009JG001221)
Otherwise there is a very large literature of forest disturbance impacts from Central to North American hurricanes. However, I take the authors' point that additional rainfall can (occasionally) result in LAI increases.
L170: The Stuivenvolt-Allen et al 2021 paper refers to increased fire weather in northwestern North America. Again, given what the sentence says, I think this citation is used incorrectly.
L294-296: I think the citations are used incorrectly in this paragraph. "By design, the latter approach is not capable of identifying neutral or positive impacts of cyclones on leaf area." All but one of these studies have nothing to do with cyclones - so why would they be discussed with respect to cyclone precipitation? The Ozdogan et al., 2014 study is not about cyclones, but windthrows caused by downbursts and tornados. Honkavaara et al 2013 is about detecting forest damage from winter ice storms. The Forzieri et al 2020 paper (of which the second author is a co-author of) is about large-scale windstorms over Europe - again, not cyclones, typhoons, or hurricanes. I argue the authors should be far more careful in their review of the literature and attribution of citations.
L304: This seems odd (or perhaps the phrasing is?), the uncertainty almost certainly scales with the magnitude of the LAI estimate. Is 0.18 the domain mean uncertainty over forests? Also what does 0.18 correspond to - a 95% confidence interval?
L306: Minor issue: Should it not be 0.5(sqrt(0.18**2 + 0.18**2)) instead of 0.25(sqrt(0.18**2 + 0.18**2)), because it's within a ±0.25 margin of the affected area?
L315: This statement is a bit concerning - "Events for which ES < \delta ES were not further analyzed". Filtering the data on account of small effect sizes will certainly bias any subsequent analysis. I think the way this is written could use some clarification.
L319-324: Were cyclone characteristics (2 & 3) matched to the corresponding LAI pixel location, or was this an average for the entire trajectory of the cyclone?
L327: A cautionary note that the precipitation from ERA5 is known to have strong biases in many locations. I don't suggest reanalyzing this, but perhaps a more recent version of GPCP or GPM IMGERv6 would be better for this.
L341: This is the citation for the R package "psych", not "factor analysis". By all means cite the R package, but again the attribution of the citation is written incorrectly.
L351: Please restate what the reference period was in this section.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Yi-Ying Chen, 21 Jul 2022
We would like to thank both referees for their insightful comments on the original manuscript. Referee 1 and 2 commented on criteria that were used to select/exclude a cyclone from further analyses resulting in a revised set of criteria. These revised criteria will require re-running the entire analysis and remaking all figures and tables. The figures presented in this reply should, therefore, be considered as examples showing how the revised figures could address referee comments but are not final. Please find the supplement/pdf file for our replies to the comments.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Yi-Ying Chen, 21 Jul 2022
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