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Technical note: No impact of alkenone extraction on foraminiferal stable isotope, trace element and boron isotope geochemistry
Jessica G. M. Crumpton-Banks
Thomas Tanner
Ivan Hernández Almeida
James W. B. Rae
Heather Stoll
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- Final revised paper (published on 14 Dec 2022)
- Preprint (discussion started on 13 Sep 2022)
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RC1: 'Comment on bg-2022-187', Anonymous Referee #1, 22 Sep 2022
General comments:
In this study, Jessica Crumpton-Banks presents a long overdue test of the effect of alkenone extraction on foraminifera boron isotopes and trace element/Ca ratios. In good news for the field, they show no effect, meaning these sediment archives that have already been extracted in the past can be plumbed as a resource for palaeoceanography, and future samples can be used more efficiently.
I have very little to add to this compact, straightforward paper- it is well written, clearly presented, and does exactly what it says on the tin. The data quality is very high, as evident by the exceptional reproducibility of external standards. A very easy review! I have only some very minor comments below.
The only thing I might flag is whether this paper fits the remit of the journal- it would very easily fit in JAAS or Rapid Communications in Mass Spectrometry for instance. But it is the editor’s call, not mine, to decide if this squeezes into the broad remit of “research articles, short communications, and review papers on all aspects of the interactions between the biological, chemical, and physical processes in terrestrial or extraterrestrial life with the geosphere, hydrosphere, and atmosphere.”
Specific comments:
Page 1, lines 24-26: the logic of the grouping of proxies between clauses a) and c) seems a bit unclear. Also what about micropalaeontological/assemblage work, like transfer functions etc.?
Section 2- the first sentence of this detailing where all the samples were taken is far too long and unwieldy, with too many clauses and brackets. Suggest breaking up for the benefit of the reader.
Page 3, Line 71: Can the authors please clarify if these growths were seen only in the ASE-treated samples, or in both the ASE and non-ASE samples?
Page 5, Line 109-110: the authors mention here the Al/Ca measurement results, and then mention it again later on Page 6, Lines 130-131. Could the authors perhaps avoid repetition by saying ‘despite the shorter ultrasonication time in some samples’ at the end of the Page 6 line 130-131 instead?
Page 6, Line 128: Please give the absolute values of these measured El/Ca ratios as well as the % variability between measurements.
Table 2: Why should d18O and d13C be reported 1sigma, and boron 2? I have never understood why O/C isotopes should be held to a lower standard.
Table 12, Line 260: give reference for this statement – e.g. https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15441?
Technical corrections:
Page 1, Line 45: foraminiferal geochemistry.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2022-187-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Jessica Crumpton-Banks, 24 Sep 2022
We would like to thank Reviewer 1 for providing prompt and thoughtful feedback on our manuscript, and give our responses to their suggestions below. Reviewer comments are in italics.
Page 1, lines 24-26: the logic of the grouping of proxies between clauses a) and c) seems a bit unclear. Also what about micropalaeontological/assemblage work, like transfer functions etc.?
Our intention here was to introduce the proxies that we worked with in this study, and so those are the only proxies we discussed in this section. We can amend this to make this context clearer if this would address your concerns.
Section 2- the first sentence of this detailing where all the samples were taken is far too long and unwieldy, with too many clauses and brackets. Suggest breaking up for the benefit of the reader.
We agree that this sentence would benefit from being revised for clarity.
Page 3, Line 71: Can the authors please clarify if these growths were seen only in the ASE-treated samples, or in both the ASE and non-ASE samples?
Thank you for pointing this out, we mention this in the caption and later in the discussion but agree that it should be mentioned here as well.
Page 5, Line 109-110: the authors mention here the Al/Ca measurement results, and then mention it again later on Page 6, Lines 130-131. Could the authors perhaps avoid repetition by saying ‘despite the shorter ultrasonication time in some samples’ at the end of the Page 6 line 130-131 instead?
Thank you for this suggestion, we will include it in the revised manuscript.
Page 6, Line 128: Please give the absolute values of these measured El/Ca ratios as well as the % variability between measurements.
We will incorporate these into our revised manuscript.
Table 2: Why should d18O and d13C be reported 1sigma, and boron 2? I have never understood why O/C isotopes should be held to a lower standard.
We are happy to amend this and report the oxygen and carbon isotope results to 2 sigma.
Table 12, Line 260: give reference for this statement – e.g. https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15441?
We agree that this statement should be referenced, and we will include an additional citation in the revised manuscript.
Page 1, Line 45: foraminiferal geochemistry.
Thank you for pointing out this error!
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2022-187-AC1 -
RC5: 'Reply on AC1', Anonymous Referee #1, 18 Oct 2022
Thanks for the response to my comments. With regards the response to the first comment, some simple rewording would likely be sufficient.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2022-187-RC5 -
AC5: 'Reply on RC5', Jessica Crumpton-Banks, 27 Oct 2022
Thanks for clarifying that point, and we'd like to thank you again for your helpful input on our paper.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2022-187-AC5
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AC5: 'Reply on RC5', Jessica Crumpton-Banks, 27 Oct 2022
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RC5: 'Reply on AC1', Anonymous Referee #1, 18 Oct 2022
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Jessica Crumpton-Banks, 24 Sep 2022
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RC2: 'Comment on bg-2022-187', Anonymous Referee #2, 30 Sep 2022
Crumpton-Banks and Tanner et al. did a great job in describing and evaluating various experiments using the ASE and its influence on geochemical proxies. They show that there is no effect between extracted and non-extracted sediment samples, which should encourage the community to share precious sedimentary material and generate biomarker, trace metals and boron isotope data from the same samples.
The manuscript is very well written and informative. In general, the references are up-to-date and the data support the conclusions. The figures are clear. I recommend to publish this paper in Biogeosciences after addressing my few (minor) comments below:
Minor Comments:
Line 50: be consistent with naming of sample ID, compared to line 48.
Line 52: same as above
Line 54: you state here that the samples were washed with miliQ and in line 59 you used deionized water.
Lines 56-59: I would like to see a better description for the extraction method: How long was each static cycle? What was the amount of solvent in the cell? What cell size? Would you expect it to also show no effect on different cell sizes, amount of sediment and number of static cycles?
Table 1:
- I don’t understand the “number weighted and analysed” term. Could you explain that a bit better in the text or choose another title in the table?
- Be consistent with the naming of the core, also add the Leg number to Site 926 and 1406. Add. Hole to 1406. Should be hole B?
- Be consistent with the succession of the cores in the Tables and Figures. It makes it easier for the reader to look up values between tables and figures. Change the succession for Table 1, starting with 1168 ->1406 -> 926, like you do for the other tables and figures.
Fig. 1: are T.trilobus and G.menardii in a) and b) treated or untreated? And could you add this information to the caption?
Line 200: If the d13C and d18O variability is attributed to small sample size, wouldn’t we expect the d18O for O.univ also to be high?
Line 204: (Fig. 4b)
Lines 230-271: it would help the reader to follow the figure in chronological order. For example, in Section 3.3 the authors describe Fig.4b->e->c->a->d->f. Wouldn’t it be easier to sort the figures in the order they are discussed or is there a reason for the sorting now?
Lines 230-271: Can the authors doublecheck the difference values (in percentage) in this section? In some cases I don’t get the same values when calculating them from the results in Table 3.
Line 245 (Fig. 4c)
Line 280: (Fig. 2d)
Line 312: A nice addition to the conclusion would be to point out that you can not only compare alkenone ep with d11B, but also Mg/Ca temperatures with GDGT-derived and alkenone-derived temperatures as the authors mentioned in the introduction.
General comment:
I am not fully convinced of the explanation that the sample size caused the differences in G.mio and O.uni in 1168. For Mn/Ca D.ven seems to have a big offset despite its big sample size. For Li/Ca and U/Ca O.uni seem to have no significant offset despite their small sample size. But due to the lack of consistent offset between treated and untreated sediments I agree that the ASE treatment should have no significant effect on the trace metals, especially not on the boron isotopes. A more in-depth study of the samples with bigger offsets would be interesting for the future.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2022-187-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Jessica Crumpton-Banks, 12 Oct 2022
We would like to thank Reviewer 2 for their thoughtful feedback on our manuscript, and give our responses to their suggestions below. Reviewer comments are in italics.
Line 50: be consistent with naming of sample ID, compared to line 48.
Line 52: same as above
Thank you for highlighting this, we will amend this in our final version.
Line 54: you state here that the samples were washed with miliQ and in line 59 you used deionized water.
Apologies for the confusion; all sieving was carried out using deionised water and we will amend this in our final version.
Lines 56-59: I would like to see a better description for the extraction method: How long was each static cycle? What was the amount of solvent in the cell? What cell size? Would you expect it to also show no effect on different cell sizes, amount of sediment and number of static cycles?
We propose to amend section 2.1 to the following:
Half of the freeze-dried sediment with a dry weight between 18g to 24g, was extracted using a Thermo Dionex 350 accelerated solvent extractor at the Department of Earth Sciences of ETH Zürich. The sediment was first crushed into small grains using a small rubber mallet to homogenize the sample and increase the surface area for extraction. It was not further ground down into a fine powder, in order to preserve the various microfossils. Afterwards, the sediment was put in 34ml stainless steel cells and extracted with three 10-minute static cycles at 100°C with a 5:1 ratio of dichloromethane to methanol (CH2Cl2/MeOH). The CH2Cl2 is a biotech grade solvent (602-004-00-3) from Honeywell and the MeOH is a liquid chromatography grade solvent (1.06007.2500) from Merck KGaA. After three cycles, each extraction delivered a total solvent volume between 85ml to 90ml. We are confident that after three cycles, most of the organic material is extracted from these carbonate rich sediments. Working with similar sediment showed that ̴ 90% is extracted with the first cycle and that the second and third cycle extract the remaining ̴ 10%. Subsequently, the now treated sediment was sieved with deionized water through a 150 μm sieve and oven dried overnight at 50°C.
Table 1:
- I don’t understand the “number weighted and analysed” term. Could you explain that a bit better in the text or choose another title in the table?
The picked foraminifera samples were initially counted and weighed, but subsequent SEM analysis and ultrasonic tests reduced the number to be analysed; for T. trilobus and G. miotumida additional specimens were also picked, so the final numbers of these that were analysed increased from those that were weighed. The final sample of foraminifera were not reweighed prior to analysis. Because we interpret our results as having been influenced by the number of individuals analysed, it seemed important to us to give this number accurately, which was counted from light microscope images that were taken just prior to analysis. We will amend the text to include this process.
- Be consistent with the naming of the core, also add the Leg number to Site 926 and 1406. Add. Hole to 1406. Should be hole B?
Thank you for drawing our attention to this, we will edit the names within the table to be consistent. We do not think it is necessary to include the legs here, as we introduce these in the main text.
- Be consistent with the succession of the cores in the Tables and Figures. It makes it easier for the reader to look up values between tables and figures. Change the succession for Table 1, starting with 1168 ->1406 -> 926, like you do for the other tables and figures.
Thank you for highlighting this, we will amend the table to be consistent.
Fig. 1: are T.trilobus and G.menardii in a) and b) treated or untreated? And could you add this information to the caption?
Both of the light microscope images are of foraminifera from untreated sediment. We will specify this within the caption.
Line 200: If the d13C and d18O variability is attributed to small sample size, wouldn’t we expect the d18O for O.univ also to be high?
Not necessarily; this depends on the variability within the populations for d13C and d18O, which will not necessarily be the same for each parameter. The offset in d13C might be driven by one outlier sample in which d18O us not elevated. The impact of such an outlier would be greater in a smaller population, such as we have with O. universa.
Line 204: (Fig. 4b)
We are unsure what the reviewer is referring to here, but guess that they would like us to reference figure 3b here, which we are happy to do.
Lines 230-271: it would help the reader to follow the figure in chronological order. For example, in Section 3.3 the authors describe Fig.4b->e->c->a->d->f. Wouldn’t it be easier to sort the figures in the order they are discussed or is there a reason for the sorting now?
The subpanels shown in the figure are sorted by atomic mass, and in text are discussed loosely based on similarities to each other, however we are happy to amend this to match the sequence given in the panels.
Lines 230-271: Can the authors doublecheck the difference values (in percentage) in this section? In some cases I don’t get the same values when calculating them from the results in Table 3.
Is the reviewer referring to some of the values being reported as whole numbers rather than to 1 d.p.? We will amend this section to give all values to 1 d.p., but please inform us with examples if this does not address your concerns.
Line 245 (Fig. 4c)
Line 280: (Fig. 2d)
We will include the subpanels in the text where they are referred to.
Line 312: A nice addition to the conclusion would be to point out that you can not only compare alkenone ep with d11B, but also Mg/Ca temperatures with GDGT-derived and alkenone-derived temperatures as the authors mentioned in the introduction.
We thank the reviewer for this suggestion, and will incorporate it into our conclusion.
General comment:
I am not fully convinced of the explanation that the sample size caused the differences in G.mio and O.uni in 1168. For Mn/Ca D.ven seems to have a big offset despite its big sample size. For Li/Ca and U/Ca O.uni seem to have no significant offset despite their small sample size. But due to the lack of consistent offset between treated and untreated sediments I agree that the ASE treatment should have no significant effect on the trace metals, especially not on the boron isotopes. A more in-depth study of the samples with bigger offsets would be interesting for the future.
Some elements (such as Mg/Ca) are distributed more heterogeneously in foraminifera, There may also be varying degrees of influence by multiple environmental drivers, resulting in disparate expression in trace elements..
Addressing the point about Mn/Ca in D Venezuelana from 1406B: the lack of obvious secondary precipitation as in 926B, and the offset between the Mn/Ca values, suggests that the Mn in samples from 1406B might be hosted in an Fe-Mn oxide rather than a carbonate, which is what we suggest for 926B. We will amend our discussion to include this.
For the comment on Li/Ca and U/Ca: similarly to our response to the comment on stable isotope offsets above, we would like to stress that a smaller sample size acts to increase the impact of interspecimen variability on the resulting data. The degree of heterogeneity between one foraminifera and the next is likely to be greater for elements which display larger intratest variability, such as Mg/Ca.
Li/Ca appears to exhibit less intratest variability within some planktic foraminifera species than Mg/Ca (e.g. Hathorne et al., 2009), suggesting that there is likely to be less Li/Ca variability between individual foraminifera than we might expect for Mg/Ca. We suspect something similar for U/Ca.
We are happy to elaborate on this within the text of the paper and hope this addresses your concerns.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2022-187-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Jessica Crumpton-Banks, 12 Oct 2022
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RC3: 'Comment on bg-2022-187', Anonymous Referee #3, 05 Oct 2022
This an interesting and useful paper which will be of interest to the readership of Biogeosciences.
My one main question is about the preparation of the sediments. Although I do not use an ASE, my understanding is that prior to extraction the sediments are usually freeze dried AND then crushed to a fine powder either by hand in a pestle and mortar or using a ball mill (see for example Tsanovo, Herbert and Peterson 2015 https://doi.org/10.1016/j.epsl.2015.03.016 and Zhang et al 2017 http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.epsl.2017.03.016 0012-821X for approaches from a couple of labs). Crushing is certainly the norm for other methods of extraction such as microwave assisted (e.g. McClymont et al 2016 http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/2016PA002954) and Soxhlet and ultrasonic extraction(e.g. Badger et al., 2013 http://dx.doi.org/10.1098/rsta.2013.0094 ).
Grinding does two things – it homogenises the samples and it increases the surface area likely to be in contact with any solvent being used for extraction. Crushing will, of course, destroy the foraminifera, so I understand why it wasn’t done here, but the question then becomes:
- Do you change the resultant measured alkenone unsaturation index (or GDGT ratio, or isotopic composition, or any other lipid/biomarker value) by not crushing? You could, for example, not get complete extraction and one alkenone is preferentially extracted over the other?
Similarly do you reduce the yield of alkenones by not crushing? This would both reduce the utility of the method (as you want to get as much as possible), but also make it more difficult for anyone wanting alkenone concentration, as the extraction efficiency will likely be heterogenous down core if you don’t homogenise.
It is possible that these questions have been answered elsewhere – that someone has experimented with crushing vs not crushing for ASE alkenone/lipid extraction and it matters not a bit, but if that is the case those experiments need citing here, and if it hasn’t been tested, at the very least a discussion of the above would be helpful.
It’s a pity, because the logical addition in this study would have been to crush an aliquot of the sediment, extract in the ASE, and then compare the alkenone data between the crushed and not-crushed samples. This could have resassured both the organic and inorganic geochemists in the authors proposed new collaborative endeavours.
Nonetheless, this is a neat study and should be published once these minor concerns have been dealt with.
Minor points
Section 2.1 This section is rather short, especially compared to the detail in the boron methods. What was the mass of the samples? What volume of solvent was used? What volume of ASE inserts were used? What grade or solvents were used and who supplied them?
Line 160 I wonder whether some of this apparent better preservation amongst the ASE treated samples is because you’ve plausibly done a light organic matter clean. Plausibly this could effect either their appearance, or how well they will sputter coat?
Lines 193-8: This result is surprising. At this point I would have wished I had done SEM on more than 3 individuals? I presume by the time this realisation was made the rest had been thoroughly dissolved?
Figures (generally). A crossplot of Pre-ASE vs ASE would be informative, potentially with some stats too. I’ve done a quick example of the data in Table 2 in the plot below. A similar plot for the Table 3 data might be more informative than Fig. 4. Incidentally would Not-ASE vs ASE be clearer terminology?
Line 291 “We find no significant difference between the treatments”. You have not done a significance test so you should not state this. You should do a significance test and then you probably can!
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2022-187-RC3 -
AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Jessica Crumpton-Banks, 12 Oct 2022
We would like to thank Reviewer 3 for their thoughtful feedback on our manuscript, and give our responses to their suggestions below. Reviewer comments are in italics.
Do you change the resultant measured alkenone unsaturation index (or GDGT ratio, or isotopic composition, or any other lipid/biomarker value) by not crushing? You could, for example, not get complete extraction and one alkenone is preferentially extracted over the other?
Similarly do you reduce the yield of alkenones by not crushing? This would both reduce the utility of the method (as you want to get as much as possible), but also make it more difficult for anyone wanting alkenone concentration, as the extraction efficiency will likely be heterogenous down core if you don’t homogenise.
It is possible that these questions have been answered elsewhere – that someone has experimented with crushing vs not crushing for ASE alkenone/lipid extraction and it matters not a bit, but if that is the case those experiments need citing here, and if it hasn’t been tested, at the very least a discussion of the above would be helpful.
It’s a pity, because the logical addition in this study would have been to crush an aliquot of the sediment, extract in the ASE, and then compare the alkenone data between the crushed and not-crushed samples. This could have resassured both the organic and inorganic geochemists in the authors proposed new collaborative endeavours.
Nonetheless, this is a neat study and should be published once these minor concerns have been dealt with.
These are all valid concerns and we thank the reviewer to bring these forward. It is in fact true that grinding the sediment would result in a fine powder with most of the foraminifera destroyed. That is why we only use a small rubber mallet to crush the sediment into small pieces that still contain intact foraminifera. It is obviously a trade-off between preserving the microfossils and extracting as much organic material as possible.
Also, this seems to be standard practice in the lab. The cited Zhang et al. 2017 paper for example describes using a mortar and pestle to homogenize the sediment (but not making a powder) and later using the >250ym size fraction to pick planktonic foraminifera.It is highly unlikely that the alkenone ratio would be affected by imperfect extraction. The various lipids behave very similarly and all of them are easily dissolved and extracted using the described 5:1 DCM:MeOH ratio. Even though the extraction might be imperfect by not crushing the sediment entirely, we are showing that we can compensate for it by using much more sediment to extract from because it is not affected by the solvents.
Minor points
Section 2.1 This section is rather short, especially compared to the detail in the boron methods. What was the mass of the samples? What volume of solvent was used? What volume of ASE inserts were used? What grade or solvents were used and who supplied them?
Thank you for highlighting your concerns about this section. We have amended the section to address these points.
Line 160 I wonder whether some of this apparent better preservation amongst the ASE treated samples is because you’ve plausibly done a light organic matter clean. Plausibly this could effect either their appearance, or how well they will sputter coat?
This is an interesting alternative explanation. We have taken pains to indicate that the effect we noticed was slight, and with the caveat that the sample sizes were small (and the effect may therefore be due to the small number analysed). We note though that for T. trilobus the gaping observed between the layers appeared slightly greater in the pre-ASE versus ASE samples, which is the opposite to what we would expect to observe if the loss of organic layers was making a visible impact. However, the difficulty in identifying features in the pre-ASE samples might be influenced by the presence of organics and debris on the faces, and we will mention this in the final manuscript.
Lines 193-8: This result is surprising. At this point I would have wished I had done SEM on more than 3 individuals? I presume by the time this realisation was made the rest had been thoroughly dissolved?
As the geochemical data shows, this slight feature is not important for the conclusions of the paper, and a detailed SEM study of it is outside the scope of this study. This could be an interesting avenue for future studies, with steps taken to minimise contamination by fragments of the surface faces.
Figures (generally). A crossplot of Pre-ASE vs ASE would be informative, potentially with some stats too. I’ve done a quick example of the data in Table 2 in the plot below. A similar plot for the Table 3 data might be more informative than Fig. 4. Incidentally would Not-ASE vs ASE be clearer terminology?
We appreciate this suggestion from the reviewer, although our initial concern with displaying the data in this way was that it is less easy to ensure that the identity of the species/core treatment pairs is clear and accessible to all readers. This is due to the large number of unique markers required (six) and overlap between the markers in some instances leading to markers being obscured. We also note that Reviewer 1 states the paper is “clearly presented” and Reviewer 2 that “The figures are clear”.
Respectfully, we disagree that not-ASE would be clearer terminology than pre-ASE. We feel that the usage of pre- is not misleading as we are referring to samples before and after the ASE treatment process.
Line 291 “We find no significant difference between the treatments”. You have not done a significance test so you should not state this. You should do a significance test and then you probably can!
We will amend this sentence to “We find that no sample pairs exceed 2SD difference between the treatments for d11B” and hope that this addresses your concerns.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2022-187-AC3
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RC4: 'Comment on bg-2022-187', Anonymous Referee #4, 18 Oct 2022
In the manuscript under discussion Jessica Crumpton-banks and co-authors present an isotope geochemical study investigating the effect of an alkenone extraction step on foraminiferal carbonate trace metal and isotopic compositions. In detail, the authors picked foraminifera from six individual sedimentary samples from three individual ODP/IODP sediment cores and compared picked single-species forams that underwent solvent extraction for alkenones with a similar sample not exposed to these chemical reagents and temperatures.
From my point of view, this is a neatly conceived study and well-prepared and written manuscript. It fits nicely into the scope of Biogeosciences and will certainly raise interest in the community. I generally recommend publication after some points mentioned below have been addressed.
Major comments:
The reproducibility of trace elemental ratios presented in this study for six individual sample sets between ASE-treated and non-ASE treated sample sets is remarkable, but the authors somewhat oversell the reproducibility for Li/Ca and Mg/Ca. For both elemental ratios, for two out of six (i.e., one third) of the samples the reproducibility is in fact not good. The authors argue for smaller sample sizes (256-257, 265-267) but this is not apparent from the plots. As long as no other geochemical criterion can be identified to distinguish a reliable from an unreliable elemental ratio for ASE-treated samples such elemental ratios from ASE-treated samples should not be used in such a manner, and the authors should make this clear in the manuscript. The other ratios are either remarkably (!) good (B/Ca, Na/Ca, Sr/Ca) or satisfactory (U/Ca).
No reductive cleaning was carried out. While I understand why the authors did not carry out this step (avoidance of signal bias for Mg/Ca as well as sample loss) this renders the Mn/Ca signal at the very least ambivalent if not pointless. The authors discuss the features of the Mn/Ca results but should not place too much weight on recovered ratios. It is an interesting observation that ASE treatment did not affect the sample Mn/Ca for five out of six sample sets, but such a ratio should probably not be interpreted in a palaeoceanographic fashion anyways since the largest proportion of the Mn in the signal is likely derived from Fe-Mn oxyhydroxides attached to the foraminifera. I also have reservations towards the argument that Fe-Mn oxide phases are not detectable in SEM images. These may simply be too fine-scaled (284-285) to be detected with SEM imaging. If a sediment contains Fe-Mn oxyhydroxides as well as authigenic Mg-containing mineral phases I would not expect a correlation (285) since these are two separate properties of the sediment with independent origin.
The reproducibility of the boron isotopic results is outstanding and a key result of this study. On the other hand, the discussion around it is really short. Is there really nothing to discuss? The authors should at the very minimum also include a d11B vs B/Ca plot. They should also mention that the triple treatment of the ASE samples indeed had no (coupled) isotopic or B/Ca effect. This is not obvious from a theoretical point of view given that boron is volatile and the likelihood of a fraction of boron escaping the carbonate matrix during this pre-treatment is not zero and could hence be mentioned.
Minor comments:
Lines 24-27: Why not add two good example references behind the usage of every proxy/parameter?
Line 33: “the 10 Myr residence time of boron in seawater presents a challenge for determining absolute ocean pH values on multi-millennial timescales” – add brief explanation as to why this is the case. It is not immediately evident to every reader.
Line 34-35: “while phytoplankton-based proxies may struggle to capture low-CO2 conditions” - add brief explanation as to why this is the case. It is not immediately evident to every reader.
Line 58: CH2Cl2/MeOH sounds like a mixture of a molecular formula and an ingredient name. The molecular formula would be C2H6Cl2O, the name one of these: DCM methanol, methanol DCM, CH2Cl2 methanol, methanol CH2Cl2, dichloromethane MeOH. So how would this reagent officially be addressed?
Also line 58: I find it remarkable that triple sample treatment at 100°C (how long actually?) does not affect the boron isotopic composition of the carbonates. This needs mentioning in the discussion (see major point above).
Table 1: Please also add the depth downcore of each sample used. Furthermore, it would be useful to know whether these sedimentary depths were positioned below a possible sulphate-methane transition zone (if present at these sites). I am mentioning this since sediments within the methane stability field may contain authigenic carbonates (e.g., Meister et al., 2007, Sedimentology) which could have an effect on the nature and robustness of an extracted stable isotope (B, C or O) or trace element signal. The authors for example mention the possible presence of an authigenic phase in lines 165-167. Could the presence of authigenic carbonates for example have consequences for some of the non-reproducible Mg/Ca or Li/Ca in the sample set?
Table 1: I also do not understand why for some samples more individuals have been analysed than were apparently weighed in. This does not make sense to me given the explanation in the text.
Fig. 1: Very interesting figure and feature of these dark crystal overgrowths.
Lines 107/108: Five seconds is a very short exposure time of foraminifera shells to ultrasonication during cleaning! But the Al/Ca measured on cleaned foraminifera sound encouraging.
Line 123: better write “triple quadrupole” than “QQQ”.
Lines 127-129: Do these reproducibilities represent 1 SD or 2 SD?
Line 135: Please add molarity of ammonium acetate buffer. What was ammonium acetate buffered with at which concentration?
Line 143: I am surprised and impressed that the authors still managed to obtain a decent isotopic signal (after blank correction) from such a low-concentration boron solution.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2022-187-RC4 -
AC4: 'Reply on RC4', Jessica Crumpton-Banks, 25 Oct 2022
We thank Reviewer 4 for their thoughtful comments on our manuscript, and give our responses below. Reviewer comments are in italics.
The reproducibility of trace elemental ratios presented in this study for six individual sample sets between ASE-treated and non-ASE treated sample sets is remarkable, but the authors somewhat oversell the reproducibility for Li/Ca and Mg/Ca. For both elemental ratios, for two out of six (i.e., one third) of the samples the reproducibility is in fact not good. The authors argue for smaller sample sizes (256-257, 265-267) but this is not apparent from the plots. As long as no other geochemical criterion can be identified to distinguish a reliable from an unreliable elemental ratio for ASE-treated samples such elemental ratios from ASE-treated samples should not be used in such a manner, and the authors should make this clear in the manuscript. The other ratios are either remarkably (!) good (B/Ca, Na/Ca, Sr/Ca) or satisfactory (U/Ca).
We appreciate the reviewer sharing their thoughts on this. A large range in Mg/Ca variability between foraminifera grown under the same conditions is well documented, for one example see the ~1 mmol/mol spread in values of samples of 20-30 G. ruber individuals at ~28 C from plankton tows in the Mozambique Channel (Weldeab et al, 2014).
Spread such as this are likely driven by large interspecimen variability in Mg/Ca. Such variability was demonstrated by Rongstad et al. (2017), who performed single-foraminifera analyses of samples consisting of between 66-70 individuals across three species of foram (G. ruber, N. dutertrei, P. obliquiloculata), 9 samples in total. The spread in Mg/Ca values for individual foraminifera that they found for each sample ranged from 1.92 to 4.31 mmol/mol, with the biweight standard deviation (which reduces the effect of outliers) ranging from 0.37 to 0.83. Given this, it makes sense that we see an offset in Mg/Ca between our samples of O. universa, numbering 13 and 16 individuals.
We also note that for Li/Ca, there is no consistency in terms of the direction of the offset. Of the two samples which have an offset greater than the uncertainty on the measurement, one is observed in an ASE samples, and one in a pre-ASE sample.
Feedback from a previous reviewer is that the order of samples within the tables and plots should follow a consistent sequence, and for the ease of the reader, we agree with this approach. However, we suggest that we indicate on the plot which of the sample pairs includes a sample which consists of <70 individuals, and hope that this will be acceptable to the reviewer. We are happy to expand on these points about interspecimen heterogeneity and the impact when analysing small samples in the revised manuscript.
No reductive cleaning was carried out. While I understand why the authors did not carry out this step (avoidance of signal bias for Mg/Ca as well as sample loss) this renders the Mn/Ca signal at the very least ambivalent if not pointless. The authors discuss the features of the Mn/Ca results but should not place too much weight on recovered ratios. It is an interesting observation that ASE treatment did not affect the sample Mn/Ca for five out of six sample sets, but such a ratio should probably not be interpreted in a palaeoceanographic fashion anyways since the largest proportion of the Mn in the signal is likely derived from Fe-Mn oxyhydroxides attached to the foraminifera. I also have reservations towards the argument that Fe-Mn oxide phases are not detectable in SEM images. These may simply be too fine-scaled (284-285) to be detected with SEM imaging. If a sediment contains Fe-Mn oxyhydroxides as well as authigenic Mg-containing mineral phases I would not expect a correlation (285) since these are two separate properties of the sediment with independent origin.
We thank the reviewer for raising this important point, and agree that this section would benefit from rewording. We lay out our main points here, and trust that incorporating these into this section will address the reviewer’s concerns.
We agree that as a palaeo-signal, the Mn/Ca is not of palaeo-proxy interest given the lack of a reductive clean. We also tried to avoid placing too much weight on these ratios given the presence of the unusual pink crystalline growths shown in Figure 1 which are potentially linked to the elevated Mn/Ca in samples from core 926B. We appreciate that we failed to make the (potential) link between the pink crystals/authigenic coating and elevated Mn/Ca, which we will amend in our revised manuscript.
Our main argument for a carbonate phase hosting Mn rather than Fe-Mn oxyhydroxides in the samples from core 926B is the remarkable agreement between the Mn measurements (coupled with the authigenic coating observed under SEM, and visible crystalline growths), and the fact that there is this agreement within the species pairs but not between them. We believe that this is unlikely to occur in these measurements without a constant ratio of Mn:Ca, such as would be found in a carbonate, and would be unlikely in the case of Fe-Mn oxyhydroxides. It is plausible that different geometry or starting geochemistry (organics or trace elements) in the foram species might explain the consistent offset between G. menardii and T. trilobus from 926B.
We do however suspect Fe-Mn oxyhydroxides may be the source of high Mn in the samples from 1406B, based on i) the elevated Mn/Ca, ii) the offset between these samples and iii) the lack of any visible contamination either under light microscope or SEM; as the reviewer states, these may not be detectable using these tools.
The reviewer raises an important point regarding our interpretation of the Mg/Ca:Mn/Ca crossplot, and we thank them for bringing this to our attention. As we have assumed a single secondary phase, we had not considered that there might be issues with exploring this using a crossplot. However, we do feel that there is utility in the cross-plot; this shows clearly that while Mn might be significantly elevated, Mg/Ca remains reproducible within the species pairs and within the range we would expect for a primary signal, though differs between species (as would be expected by the occupation of different ecological niches; an investigation into these was considered but we decided is outside the scope of this paper). We are happy to amend this discussion to take account of the reviewer’s comment and include our interpretation of these data in the discussion.
The reproducibility of the boron isotopic results is outstanding and a key result of this study. On the other hand, the discussion around it is really short. Is there really nothing to discuss? The authors should at the very minimum also include a d11B vs B/Ca plot. They should also mention that the triple treatment of the ASE samples indeed had no (coupled) isotopic or B/Ca effect. This is not obvious from a theoretical point of view given that boron is volatile and the likelihood of a fraction of boron escaping the carbonate matrix during this pre-treatment is not zero and could hence be mentioned.
We did not feel the need to elaborate further on the boron isotope results, as we observed no effect of the treatment on them and we have submitted this paper as a Technical Note. It is indeed an interesting point that the lack of an ASE impact suggests this treatment really does not release any boron from the carbonate matrix to be volatilised, though this is consistent with the apparent good preservation state of the foram shells following treatment and boron’s incorporation into the CaCO3 lattice. We are happy to include an additional plot and the discussion points outlined, but are concerned about overly expanding the length of the manuscript and so leave this to the Editor’s discretion.
Minor comments:
Lines 24-27: Why not add two good example references behind the usage of every proxy/parameter?
We thank the reviewer for this suggestion, and will include these.
Line 33: “the 10 Myr residence time of boron in seawater presents a challenge for determining absolute ocean pH values on multi-millennial timescales” – add brief explanation as to why this is the case. It is not immediately evident to every reader.
We can add a brief statement of elaboration e.g. as changes in foram d11B will be a function of both changes in pH and in the d11B of seawater. We also reference papers that describe this effect in detail for those who are interested to pursue the details further. We thank the reviewer for drawing our attention to this sentence, as we have noticed an error: this should read multi-million year timescales.
Line 34-35: “while phytoplankton-based proxies may struggle to capture low-CO2 conditions” - add brief explanation as to why this is the case. It is not immediately evident to every reader.
We are happy to add a brief further explanation for this point.
Line 58: CH2Cl2/MeOH sounds like a mixture of a molecular formula and an ingredient name. The molecular formula would be C2H6Cl2O, the name one of these: DCM methanol, methanol DCM, CH2Cl2 methanol, methanol CH2Cl2, dichloromethane MeOH. So how would this reagent officially be addressed?
We thank the reviewer for pointing this out, and propose to amend this to DCM/MeOH.
Also line 58: I find it remarkable that triple sample treatment at 100°C (how long actually?) does not affect the boron isotopic composition of the carbonates. This needs mentioning in the discussion (see major point above).
Each static cycle took 10 minutes, so a total of 30 minutes was spent at 100° C. We note that no such impact has been noted during oxidative cleaning which typically occurs at rather elevated temperatures itself (here, 80 °C for 15 minutes) . As mentioned above, the lack of boron release at these temperatures is consistent with its lattice bound position.
Table 1: Please also add the depth downcore of each sample used. Furthermore, it would be useful to know whether these sedimentary depths were positioned below a possible sulphate-methane transition zone (if present at these sites). I am mentioning this since sediments within the methane stability field may contain authigenic carbonates (e.g., Meister et al., 2007, Sedimentology) which could have an effect on the nature and robustness of an extracted stable isotope (B, C or O) or trace element signal. The authors for example mention the possible presence of an authigenic phase in lines 165-167. Could the presence of authigenic carbonates for example have consequences for some of the non-reproducible Mg/Ca or Li/Ca in the sample set?
Thank you for raising this point. Based on this and feedback from a previous reviewer, we propose to amend the sample table to give the Leg, site, hole, core, section, interval, and depth of the cores. The depth of the samples is summarised here:
1168A 25X = 229.2 m
1168A 26X = 238.8 m
1406B = 63.04 m
926B = 185.41 m
The details of the sulfate-methane transition zone (SMTZ) of the cores used here are as follows. The SMTZ it is found at around 225-230 mbsf at ODP Site 1168A (http://www-odp.tamu.edu/publications/189_IR/chap_03/chap_03.htm), so 25X would be at around the SMTZ, and 26X immediately below it. However, the 3 samples from this site had the lowest Mn analysed, and no visibly identified evidence of authigenic carbonates.
For 1406B there is no analysis of methane or sulfate for that site, only for 1406A, but based on stratigraphic correlations between both sites, the SMTZ would be at around 161 m (approx) in 1406A, and in an equivalent depth at 1406B (http://publications.iodp.org/proceedings/342/107/107_f26.htm). Therefore our sampled depth sits above the SMTZ.
For 926B sulfate concentrations decrease by nearly 70% over the sampled sequence at 926B (down to 591.25 mbsf), but sulfate is never fully reduced (http://www-odp.tamu.edu/publications/154_IR/VOLUME/CHAPTERS/ir154_05.pdf)
There appears to be no relationship between the location of the SMTZ and the samples with elevated Mn. It could potentially be a factor in the offsets observed in 1168, given the proximity of these samples to the SMTZ, although we do not observe any indication of an authigenic phase in these samples, and believe the offsets here are much more likely to be due to interspecimen heterogeneity, as laid out above.
We are happy to include a reference to the SMTZ in the text, although we feel that a detailed investigation into the cause of the authigenic phases lies outside the scope of this paper.
Table 1: I also do not understand why for some samples more individuals have been analysed than were apparently weighed in. This does not make sense to me given the explanation in the text.
In the text it is mentioned that further specimens were picked for T. trilobus and G. miotumida; however, we thank the reviewer for drawing our attention to the fact that this point could be made more clearly, and will amend our final manuscript to do so.
Fig. 1: Very interesting figure and feature of these dark crystal overgrowths.
We thank the reviewer for their interest in this point; we agree that this is an intriguing feature and hope that the publication of this paper might stimulate interest in them.
Lines 107/108: Five seconds is a very short exposure time of foraminifera shells to ultrasonication during cleaning! But the Al/Ca measured on cleaned foraminifera sound encouraging.
We agree that this is a short period of time, and are also encouraged by the low Al/Ca.
Line 123: better write “triple quadrupole” than “QQQ”.
Thank you for pointing this out, we will amend it in our revised manuscript.
Lines 127-129: Do these reproducibilities represent 1 SD or 2 SD?
We thank the reviewer for drawing our attention to this, the reproducibilities here are 2SD. We will edit our revised manuscript to include this.
Regarding the uncertainty on Mg, we have noticed an error in the reporting of this. We typically collect data for 24Mg and 25Mg as standard, and report the data for 24Mg, given the greater number of interferences on 25Mg, and that 24Mg tends to be more robust to switches in detector mode, and more stable long term as a result. However, we have noticed that in this case we had erroneously reported the error on 25Mg (0.89 %) instead of 24Mg (1.97 %), and we will amend this in the revised manuscript. The differences between the collected datasets are very small (<0.03 mmol/mol) and this will have no impact on the findings of our paper, but we wanted to ensure that this mistake is noted and corrected at this stage.
Line 135: Please add molarity of ammonium acetate buffer. What was ammonium acetate buffered with at which concentration?
Boron isotope column chemistry depends on adjusting the pH of the sample, which is dissolved in 0.5 M HNO3. Amberlite resin sorbs borate ion, and releases boric acid; therefore, to capture the sample in the column, manipulation of the sample chemistry is necessary. This is achieved here by buffering the sample with a pH 6, 1.1M ammonium hydroxide:1.2 M acetic acid buffer (exact concentrations adjusted to achieve pH ~6). We are happy to amend our methods to include this information.
Line 143: I am surprised and impressed that the authors still managed to obtain a decent isotopic signal (after blank correction) from such a low-concentration boron solution.
We thank the reviewer for recognising the quality of the data obtained here. We have a manuscript in preparation that details the methodological developments that have permitted reproducibility at this level.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2022-187-AC4
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AC4: 'Reply on RC4', Jessica Crumpton-Banks, 25 Oct 2022