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Nature and origin of variations in pelagic carbonate production in the tropical ocean since the mid-Miocene (ODP Site 927)
Thomas Westerhold
Heiko Pälike
Torsten Bickert
Karl-Heinz Baumann
Michal Kucera
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RC1: 'Comment on bg-2022-81', Anonymous Referee #1, 27 Jun 2022
General Comments
It was a pleasure to read and review the Cornuault et al. manuscript (https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2022-81). In this study the authors aim to better understand the dynamics of pelagic plankton calcification under warm climate conditions, by compiling published carbonate accumulation data from ODP Leg 154 sites drilled at the Ceara Rise. They also generated new high-resolution carbonate content, carbonate accumulation rates, benthic foraminifera stable isotope and sedimentation rate records in sediments from Site 927, across four time-intervals since the MCO. Their results show that the sedimentation rates increased in time, whereas the carbonate accumulation rates remained fairly stable across this time interval. These results are mainly interpreted as reflecting orbital-scale changes in both carbonate production and/or dissolution.
The manuscript is in general well written and the data produced are appropriate for the study aims. Because of this I reckon the manuscript potentially to represent a valuable contribution to the current paleoceanographic debate. However, there are some parts that in my opinion need to be further developed prior to publication. The main issues I found in the manuscript mostly concern the Discussion chapter, which needs to be expanded and rethought in some of its parts. Given this, my overall evaluation is that this manuscript has the potential to be published in Biogeosciences but it needs substantial revision before publication.
Specific comments
Line 85: add age range for each of the four intervals examined.
Figures: I suggest to give ages in Ma rather than in ka, so one can get rid of all the zeros.
Line 234: How about productivity changes? Sites 928 & 929 are farer to the coastline compared to other sites. Can the higher distance to the Amazon fan result in lower nutrient deliver and thus lower biological production at those sites?
Line 239: “The CaCO3 AR, on the contrary, does not show any obvious temporal trend” I do not agree. In my opinion the CaCO3 AR generally increases until ~4 Ma, and then it slightly decreases.
Lines 272-273: what do the authors mean with “fastest sea-level changes”? Do they mean that they interpret the Site 927 d18O record as reflecting sea-level changes? If so this needs to be stated and the motivation for such an interpretation needs to be explained.
Line 342: I think it is necessary to add a figure, perhaps in the supplemental information, to show the results of the spectral analysis.
Lines 349-352: this is confusing and difficult to follow as written. Can you add to Figure 7 the correlation lines between d18O and E+T-P?
Line 374: “the CaCO3 AR is driven by both the carbonate content and the SR” I disagree with this statement. The correlation between CaCO3 AR and SR during KM5 has a R2=0.089. This means that there is no correlation between the two parameters.
Figure 9, panel a: apart from the MCO, the panel shows that:
- i) there is no correlation between CaCO3 AR and SR;
- ii) at one single SR value corresponds different CaCO3 AR values. Can this result from the method used to build the age model? Or is there an oceanographic reason instead? I think the authors need to discuss this in the text. It seems to me that the fact that SR are linear plays a significant role in the relationship between CaCO3 AR and SR.
Figure 9, caption: regression lines of MIS 5 and MIS9 are difficult to distinguish. I suggest to add regression formula to the figure legend, to better represent the slope of regression lines.
Discussion: I found the discussion a bit difficult to read and not well organized (see comments below). In addition, I couldn’t find any discussion and interpretation of the new stable isotope records, which is a bit of shame considering that they can provide important information for the interpretation of the other records presented. In my opinion, a discussion on the stable isotope records and on how they correlate with sedimentation and accumulation rate records needs to be added.
Paragraph 4.1: The discussion in this section is difficult to follow and needs rewriting.
Lines 402-403: How can you reconcile your observation of dissolution in Pleistocene sediments with the fact that Site 927 has been located above the lysocline?
Lines 411-414: deleted this sentence.
Lines 424-425: I do not agree. Pelagic carbonate AR can indicate both carbonate production and carbonate dissolution. So how can carbonate production be assessed by carbonate SR without considering carbonate dissolution?
Figure 12: It is not clear what the dashed curves are. I suggest to change the names of curves in the legend.
Line 503: Please describe briefly the main observations made by the cited studies.
Line 506: in my opinion it cannot be said that the new record has a similar long-term trend as Lyle et al. (2019).
Conclusions: I suggest to shorten the conclusions which are extensively long.Technical Corrections
Lines 43-44: quantify short-term and long-term.
Line 124: add color scale for the bathymetry next to the map of Figure 1.
Line 131: add “modern” before “regional”. Add lysocline depth.
Line 161: What does “loess” mean in the plot vertical axis? If a detrending function was applied to the record, state it in the figure caption.
Line 164: substitute “Stable oxygen isotopes” with “Oxygen stable isotopes”.
Line 168: delete “Next,”.s
Line 193: substitute “S3” with “S1”.
Line 200: substitute “For the high resolution 4 intervals” to “For the four high resolution intervals”.
Line 223: state that the graphs in panel a are box plots.
Line 253: the Leg number can be removed.
Lines 255-256: it is difficult to understand which color is which. I suggest to add a legend next to the panel.
Line 258: substitute “blue” with “light blue”. Apply the same to figures 6 and 7.
Figure 6, panel f: I suggest to use another color instead of the light purple for the MS record of the middle core because it is difficult to distinguish from the MS record in dark purple.
Line 280: add corresponding color for the MS record and the MS smoothed record.
Line 298: add a brief explanation of why this insolation curve has been used.
Line 213: which curve is obliquity and which is E+T-P?
Line 230: define “LAD”.
Line 358: substitute “local” with “Site 927”.
Line 368: substitute “periods” with “intervals”.
Line 381: “carbonate AR appears to decrease with time”. Do the authors mean with increasing age?
Line 443: delete “On the other hand,”
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2022-81-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Pauline Cornuault, 12 Sep 2022
We thank the reviewers for the comments they gave on our work, that helped us to review and improve our manuscript.
Reviewer#1 has highlighted unclear points that we here take care to clarify.
We have considered all the different comments and here they are all addressed/discussed as follows (the arrows are our suggestion to the reviewer comment written above).
Line 85: add age range for each of the four intervals examined.
Figures: I suggest to give ages in Ma rather than in ka, so one can get rid of all the zeros.
→ The ages of the studied intervals will be added in brackets in the text;
→ Since we have two intervals in the Quaternary, we think it is easier to stay in ka;
→ This is an important comment, because it made us realise that this sentence is ambiguously formulated. We investigate four intervals, which occurred during the four listed periods (not the four listed periods entirely. Therefore, we will not only add the exact time brackets for the four intervals, but also specify the above in the text.
Line 234: How about productivity changes? Sites 928 & 929 are farer to the coastline compared to other sites. Can the higher distance to the Amazon fan result in lower nutrient deliver and thus lower biological production at those sites?
→ Indeed, Curry and Cullen (1997) show for the late Quaternary an effect of distance from the Amazon Fan on sediment composition on Ceara Rise, but this change is only manifested by differences in the accumulation rate of terrigenous (non-carbonate) sediments. This is seen in patterns of carbonate content of the sediment (their Figure 2), but not in changes in carbonate accumulation. Also, there is little evidence that the Amazon discharge plume reaches far enough offshore to induce changes in productivity over the plateau. At present, the discharge is strongly deflected northwards and stimulates productivity mainly along a narrow coastal stripe (Gouveia et al., 2019). The same authors note that some of the Amazon discharge may be deflected into the North Brazil Current, but this affects productivity only little and mainly north off the Ceara Rise. We will add a brief statement explaining the possible role of productivity in the revised manuscript.
Line 239: “The CaCO3 AR, on the contrary, does not show any obvious temporal trend” I do not agree. In my opinion the CaCO3 AR generally increases until ~4 Ma, and then it slightly decreases.
→ We did not intend to insinuate that there is no trend in the CAR at all, but wanted to highlight that the observed changes are much less obvious than the strong increase in overall sedimentation rate. We will improve the statement accordingly.
Lines 272-273: what do the authors mean with “fastest sea-level changes”? Do they mean that they interpret the Site 927 d18O record as reflecting sea-level changes? If so this needs to be stated and the motivation for such an interpretation needs to be explained.
→ Indeed, the benthic stable oxygen isotope record from Site 927 published by Bickert et al. (2004) during the Quaternary reflects chiefly sea-level changes. This is why it could be included in the L&R stack and why it should be interpreted and used for correlations as such. We will include a statement at this place: because the benthic stable oxygen record reflects mainly global sea level change (Bickert et al., 2004), the tuning was based on…
Line 342: I think it is necessary to add a figure, perhaps in the supplemental information, to show the results of the spectral analysis.
→ We plan to add the corresponding MTM figure in the supplements
Lines 349-352: this is confusing and difficult to follow as written. Can you add to Figure 7 the correlation lines between d18O and E+T-P?
→ We suspect that this is a misunderstanding. We have not used the isotopic curves for tuning. We only used them to position the interval that is to be tuned such that we can then tune the colour data to the correct ETP target. For this, the correlation lines are all shown. Also, the resulting effect on the isotopic curves is then shown in supplementary Figure S3. We understand where the misunderstanding arose and propose to change the sentence as:
→ Therefore, after the alignment with the younger isotopic minimum, we used the E+T-P signal as a target …
Line 374: “the CaCO3 AR is driven by both the carbonate content and the SR” I disagree with this statement. The correlation between CaCO3 AR and SR during KM5 has a R2=0.089. This means that there is no correlation between the two parameters.
→ Yes, but still significant according to the p-value (1.1 x 10^-2), therefore, we cannot reject the hypothesis.
Figure 9, panel a: apart from the MCO, the panel shows that:
i) there is no correlation between CaCO3 AR and SR;
ii) at one single SR value corresponds different CaCO3 AR values. Can this result from the method used to build the age model? Or is there an oceanographic reason instead? I think the authors need to discuss this in the text. It seems to me that the fact that SR are linear plays a significant role in the relationship between CaCO3 AR and SR.
→ The presence or absence of correlation is tested by calculating the significance of the correlation coefficient. This reveals that the hypothesis for a higher-than-random correlation between SR and CAR can only be rejected for MIS5, but not for MIS9 and the Pliocene. We fully agree that the differences in the R value are enormous, and interpret the data accordingly, but we cannot ignore the results of the statistical test.
With respect to the second comment, we see an interesting point here, which is likely affecting the Quaternary sections. Here, there are simply too few values of sedimentation rate, because the studied intervals are short and the tuning cannot be carried out on much higher resolution than orbital. In fact, in such a situation, it would have been more appropriate to treat the CAR data as four groups of observations, each representing a different mean SR, and test for differences using ANOVA. However, the number of observations for some of the intervals is too low, to run the test in this way. Either way, this phenomenon could well explain the apparently significant relationship for MIS9, which we, like the referee, also do not consider convincing. We will include a statement to this end to the discussion of the results.
Figure 9, caption: regression lines of MIS 5 and MIS9 are difficult to distinguish. I suggest to add regression formula to the figure legend, to better represent the slope of regression lines.
→ Yes, the regression formula will be added in the legend of the figure.
Discussion: I found the discussion a bit difficult to read and not well organized (see comments below). In addition, I couldn’t find any discussion and interpretation of the new stable isotope records, which is a bit of shame considering that they can provide important information for the interpretation of the other records presented. In my opinion, a discussion on the stable isotope records and on how they correlate with sedimentation and accumulation rate records needs to be added.
→ We understand that the referees would like to see a more thorough discussion of the stable isotope record, but we believe this is beyond the scope of the present paper. Also, a more detailed discussion would result from a further extension of the record, which we are currently working on and which will be presented in another study. However, we concede that we could comment on some features of the curve already here and we propose to modify the discussion section around line 348 as follows:
We do have a similar signal as the world signal (cf. Westerhold et al., 2020), with maybe even higher resolution and one isotope excursion not visible that much in the other records.
Paragraph 4.1: The discussion in this section is difficult to follow and needs rewriting.
→ Indeed, as mentioned above, we will entirely restructure this section.
Lines 402-403: How can you reconcile your observation of dissolution in Pleistocene sediments with the fact that Site 927 has been located above the lysocline?
→ Above the lysocline TODAY (cf. point 1.b) from R2 at the beginning of this document) but the Antarctic deep water formation and circulation during the glacial intervals is causing dissolution during these cold intervals (Curry et al., 1995; Frenz et al., 2006).
Lines 411-414: deleted this sentence.
→ This sentence will be reformulated in the new version anyway.
Lines 424-425: I do not agree. Pelagic carbonate AR can indicate both carbonate production and carbonate dissolution. So how can carbonate production be assessed by carbonate SR without considering carbonate dissolution?
→ We will modify the first sentence, to make our point clearer, by beginning the sentence with “Assuming dissolution did not play a significant role in the observed variations in CAR…”. We will then continue in the next sentence: under the same assumption, the new record…
Figure 12: It is not clear what the dashed curves are. I suggest to change the names of curves in the legend.
→ The dashed curves are corresponding to the significance at 90% intervals. The names of curves in the legend will be changed for : BT CAR-Insolation, BT CAR-Obliquity, BT CAR-Obliquity, BT CAR-Eccentricity.
Line 503: Please describe briefly the main observations made by the cited studies.
→ Yes, we will begin this paragraph by first describing the main trends in cited studies.
There are 2 studies (fig. 14) available and they show [….] And our results are consistent with [….].
Line 506: in my opinion it cannot be said that the new record has a similar long-term trend as Lyle et al. (2019).
→ We agree that it is not appropriate to talk about trends when describing the new data for the four time periods. The overall trend at the Ceara Rise is similar and our new data are consistent with it. That is indeed a more appropriate description of the observations.
Conclusions: I suggest to shorten the conclusions which are extensively long.
→ We believe the main messages should be briefly summarised here and we also believe the conclusions are not longer than in other studies of this kind. We have considered this comment carefully and we feel that the only aspect that could be deleted is the sentence on line 520-522.
--------------- Technical Corrections --------------- Minor comments
Lines 43-44: quantify short-term and long-term.
→ “[...] geological (Ma) and orbital (ka) [...]” will be added in the text.
Line 124: add colour scale for the bathymetry next to the map of Figure 1.
→ Yes, a colour scale for the bathymetry will be added on this figure.
Line 131: add “modern” before “regional”. Add lysocline depth.
→ This will be modified in the revised version of the manuscript.
Line 161: What does “loess” mean in the plot vertical axis? If a detrending function was applied to the record, state it in the figure caption.
→ Yes, this is a smoothing method, and it will be added in the figure caption.
Line 164: substitute “Stable oxygen isotopes” with “Oxygen stable isotopes”.
→ Yes, this will be modified in the revised version of the manuscript.
Line 168: delete “Next,”.s
→ Yes, this will be modified in the revised version of the manuscript.
Line 193: substitute “S3” with “S1”.
--> No, it is well the table S3 of the Westerhold et al. (2020) paper.
Line 200: substitute “For the high resolution 4 intervals” to “For the four high resolution intervals”.
→ Yes, this will be modified in the revised version of the manuscript.
Line 223: state that the graphs in panel a are box plots.
→ Yes, this will be modified in the revised version of the manuscript.
Line 253: the Leg number can be removed.
→ Yes, the Leg number will be removed in the revised version of the manuscript.
Lines 255-256: it is difficult to understand which color is which. I suggest to add a legend next to the panel.
→ Yes, this will be modified in the revised version of the manuscript.
Line 258: substitute “blue” with “light blue”. Apply the same to figures 6 and 7.
→ Yes, this will be modified in the revised version of the manuscript.
Figure 6, panel f: I suggest to use another color instead of the light purple for the MS record of the middle core because it is difficult to distinguish from the MS record in dark purple.
→ Yes, this will be modified in the revised version of the manuscript.
Line 280: add corresponding colour for the MS record and the MS smoothed record.
→ Corresponding colour for the MS record and the MS smooth record will be added in the revised version of the manuscript in brackets (black and grey).
Line 298: add a brief explanation of why this insolation curve has been used.
→ A brief explanation will be added as follow: The spliced MS signal (Fig. 6b) has then been tuned with the daily insolation on 21st of June 65°N. This is because this representation of orbital forcing of global climate, shows the best pattern of influence from both obliquity and precession (Laskar et al., 2004) (Fig. 6a) and has been used for tuning at the studied location in previous studies (e.g. Zeeden et al. (2013), who also provide arguments for why the MS and Insolation are co-varying without lag.
Line 213: which curve is obliquity and which is E+T-P?
→ Obliquity in grey, ETP in black, this will be specified in the legend.
Line 230: define “LAD”.
→ Last appearance datum, this will be added in the revised version of the manuscript.
Line 358: substitute “local” with “Site 927”.
→ This will be corrected in the revised version of the manuscript.
Line 368: substitute “periods” with “intervals”.
→ This will be corrected in the revised version of the manuscript.
Line 381: “carbonate AR appears to decrease with time”. Do the authors mean with increasing age?
→ Yes, with increasing age. This will be specified and this sentence will be reworded in order to make it clearer in the revised version of the manuscript.
Line 443: delete “On the other hand,”
→ This will be deleted in the revised version of the manuscript.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2022-81-AC1
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RC2: 'Comment on bg-2022-81', Anonymous Referee #2, 25 Jul 2022
This manuscript by Cornuault and co-authors uses carbonate accumulation rates to (1) evaluate long-term changes in pelagic carbonate production since the Middle Miocene, and in particular during four major past warm intervals: the MIS 5, the MIS 9; the PWP and the MCO; (2) characterize the orbital-scale variability and (3) determine whether orbital periodicity forcing carbonate production changed from the Middle Miocene to present. To do that, the authors first compiled existing CaCO3 % from all the Leg 154 sites in the Ceara Rise (equatorial Atlantic Ocean) since the Miocene. Next, they revised the age models of these sites to calculate sedimentation rates and carbonate accumulation rates. Moreover, they generated new δ18O, δ13C and carbonate content data from Site 927 (Leg 154) for the four selected time intervals and developed updated age models for each time interval to calculate carbonate accumulation rates.
The results show a general increase in sedimentation rates since the late Miocene, but the carbonate accumulation rates did not show a similar clear trend. Additionally, the authors observed that the highest carbonate accumulation rates occurred during the Pliocene. Furthermore, they demonstrate that variations in carbonate accumulation prior to the Quaternary cycles follow obliquity and eccentricity and suggest that this reflect changes in the export flux of pelagic biogenic carbonate. The authors thus propose that the overall carbonate production responded to local changes in light, temperature and nutrients delivered by upwelling, which followed long orbital cycles and long-term shifts in climate and/or ocean chemistry. Finally, they suggest that the observed changes were sufficiently large that could have played a role in the regulation of the carbon cycle and global climate evolution during the Miocene warm climates into the Quaternary icehouse.
The manuscript adds to a growing body of knowledge surrounding the controlling factors regulating the global carbon cycle and global climate evolution. The conclusions are therefore significant. The selection of the four warm time intervals is appropriate, as they represent key warm periods of the late Cenozoic, selected by the international scientific community. The methods are appropriate for the work.
I generally agree with the interpretations, however, as part of my review I have some points the authors should consider/address during revision that I don’t think will result in significant changes to the conclusions. In particular, there needs to more evidence to indicate that changes in carbonate AR are not affected by dissolution, especially for Site 927. There also needs to be more discussion on the link between the carbonate production and the driving mechanisms (e.g., light, temperature, nutrients-upwelling processes).
I also have some other minor recommendations and corrections listed below.
With some moderate to major revision this manuscript will represent an important contribution for publication in Biogeosciences.
Main Review Points:
1. a) I found the first part of the discussion section “carbonate preservation” rather weak. Although this does not mean that I necessarily disagree with author’s arguments, but as this section is very important for the next parts of the paper, I recommend to provide more evidence indicating that the observed changes are (not) driven by dissolution. A series of Scanning Electron Microscope (SEM) images for instance could be helpful, or/and comparison with other available data (e.g., biogenic siliceous productivity) (maybe add a figure in supplementary material).
1. b) Moreover, the authors infer in several places in the text that Leg 154 sites remain either above or below lysocline based on their modern depths. Given that depth is a crucial parameter for dissolution/preservation, I recommend to provide information on the paleodepths of the sites, especially for Site 927 for all studied time intervals.
2. a) The authors propose that changes in light, temperature and nutrients driven by upwelling, forced the observed changes in the export of flux of pelagic biogenic carbonate. These could be plausible mechanisms, but I would like to see a more detailed discussion on this. The authors could use available published data (e.g., SST; Herbert et al., 2016) to back up their hypothesis. Additionally, in Lines 22-23, they state “These results imply that the pelagic carbonate production in the tropical ocean, buffered from large temperature changes, varied….” Are there available data that shows that?
2. b) I also recommend to include a final figure (conceptual model) summarizing the main conclusions: changes in carbonate AR for the different time intervals, orbital variability, as well as potential mechanisms (e.g., light, temperature and nutrients).
3. In line 239, you state that “the CaCO3 AR, on the contrary, does not show any obvious temporal trend (Fig. 4), indicating that the increase in SR is compensated by decreased carbonate content in the sediment”. Maybe I’m confused, but when I’m looking for example Site 927 in Figs 3 and 4, I see that increased SR coincide with increased carbonate content between 16 and 3 Ma. Could you explain this better?
4. I’m missing a section in the result part for the new δ18O, δ13C data generated from this study. Moreover, these data can provide additional information that can help the part of discussion.
5. I recommend to add a section of modern hydrography of the region.
Minor comments:
Lines 20-21: “…, but that each interval was characterized by large orbital-scale variability” Although I understand what you mean, reword if possible.
Lines 23-24: “…on orbital time scales similarly or even more than on longer time scales”. Rephrase.
Line 71: “plankton had no opportunity to responds to the climate cycles by migration” Add a reference.
Line 80: “… to assess the spatial coherence of long terms
Line 111: “…is also characterized as wetter” wetter compared to today? clarify
Line 130: “This aseismic ridge rises several km above…” Give depth
Line 273: “… and times of fastest sea-level change...” What do you mean by fastest sea level change?
Line 506: “a largely similar overall trend…” I cannot see that - reword this part.
Lines 507-508 you state “Clearly, the overall of carbonate accumulation at the Ceara Rise supports the existence of a late Miocene carbonate maximum also under tropical conditions”. However, in lines 15-16 you note that there is “a systematic increase in sedimentation rates since the late Miocene, but carbonate accumulation rate does not show a clear trend”, which is what your data show. Therefore, these lines in the discussion need rewording.
Lines 515: “… The two shallow sites consistently….” Add sites in a parenthesis to remind them to the reader.
Figures
Figure 1: Add scale for bathymetry
Figure 3: This is a nice figure. 3b: I recommend to add also a small key-scale showing the values of the colors.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Pauline Cornuault, 12 Sep 2022
We thank the reviewers for the comments they gave on our work, that helped us to review and improve our manuscript.
Reviewer #2 has pointed to a lack of information leading to our conclusions that we are here adding for a more solid interpretation.
We have considered all the different comments and here they are all addressed/discussed as follows (the arrows are our suggestion to the reviewer comment written above).
There needs to more evidence to indicate that changes in carbonate AR are not affected by dissolution, especially for Site 927. There also needs to be more discussion on the link between the carbonate production and the driving mechanisms (e.g., light, temperature, nutrients-upwelling processes).
- a) I found the first part of the discussion section “carbonate preservation” rather weak. Although this does not mean that I necessarily disagree with author’s arguments, but as this section is very important for the next parts of the paper, I recommend to provide more evidence indicating that the observed changes are (not) driven by dissolution. A series of Scanning Electron Microscope (SEM) images for instance could be helpful, or/and comparison with other available data (e.g., biogenic siliceous productivity) (maybe add a figure in supplementary material).
→ We realise that the aspect of carbonate dissolution was not treated sufficiently and we appreciate the comments by both referees who request a stronger case for the claimed absence of dissolution during Miocene and Pliocene and/or the fact that it is not the driving factor of the observed changes in carbonate accumulation rate. To this end, we propose to restructure and expand the dissolution section. First we will separate the Quaternary part, where dissolution does occur, and where the discussion only deals with the identification of the parts of the sequence that are not affected, from the Pliocene and Miocene part. We agree with the referees that a stronger case and more explicit support will allow us to better substantiate the claim that the observed variation is due to changes in export production. Whilst we agree that visual evidence for dissolution in the coarse fraction is a useful and instructive means to support our claims, SEM images, as proposed by the referee, can only be used to document the state of a few individuals, which makes them less representative. Instead, we propose to document the preservation state of key samples, representing the highest and lowest carbonate accumulation rates for each period, by high-resolution optical images from a digital microscope. Those can be provided in the supplement and an example is shown below. Next, in the course of our project, where we are trying to identify the exact mechanisms responsible for the observed changes in carbonate accumulation, we have in the meantime generated for the Pliocene and Miocene data on fragmentation of planktonic foraminifera shells, a commonly accepted proxy for the extent of carbonate dissolution. We propose to introduce the data in this paper either in the main part or in the supplement. As shown below, the fragmentation varies, but remains low, indicating no evidence for dissolution and, most importantly, the fragmentation does not correlate with carbonate accumulation rate at all, indicating that the observed changes in carbonate accumulation must reflect processes other than dissolution.
- b) Moreover, the authors infer in several places in the text that Leg 154 sites remain either above or below lysocline based on their modern depths. Given that depth is a crucial parameter for dissolution/preservation, I recommend to provide information on the paleodepths of the sites, especially for Site 927 for all studied time intervals.
→ As explained in the response to the previous comment, an argument about lack of dissolution control on carbonate accumulation based only on a depth-related argumentation is likely not sufficient. Therefore, we will use more explicit data to constrain and quantify a possible effect of this variable. With regard to the paleodepth, we believe that the variations since mid-Miocene have been negligible. Paul et al. (2000) note that the exact subsidence history is unknown, but assume minimal subsidence since early Miocene. Similarly, sea-level differences among Quaternary interglacials and Pliocene and Miocene were likely in the order of 10s of metres. Therefore, the largest changes in paleodepth would have been due to sediment cover, which would make the studied mid-Miocene interval about 300 m deeper compared to the present one. We will provide a brief description of these facts in the revised version.
- a) The authors propose that changes in light, temperature and nutrients driven by upwelling, forced the observed changes in the export of flux of pelagic biogenic carbonate. These could be plausible mechanisms, but I would like to see a more detailed discussion on this. The authors could use available published data (e.g., SST; Herbert et al., 2016) to back up their hypothesis. Additionally, in Lines 22-23, they state “These results imply that the pelagic carbonate production in the tropical ocean, buffered from large temperature changes, varied….” Are there available data that shows that?
→ It would be indeed very interesting to study what exactly caused the changes in carbonate production. However, none of the pertinent data are available at high resolution, allowing a direct correlation with the new carbonate accumulation data that we present. Also, the key parameter we would really need is palaeoproductivity and this is very hard to derive from proxy data. The list of potential driving parameters as presented in the paper is meant to specify the options (what could potentially affect production), and should not be seen as an opening for an extensive discussion, which we admittedly would also like to engage in, but cannot due to lack of key data. We will modify the sentence to make it clear that we list these parameters as options, but cannot at present resolve which was more important for the observed changes in carbonate production.
In terms of the claim that the tropical ocean was buffered from large temperature changes, we can provide references showing modest SST variation compared to higher latitudes and highlight the fact that we mean buffered compared to higher latitudes. Low-magnitude tropical SST variability in the Atlantic in the Pliocene and the Miocene was reported by Herbert et al. (2016) and Curry et al. (1995).
- b) I also recommend to include a final figure (conceptual model) summarizing the main conclusions: changes in carbonate AR for the different time intervals, orbital variability, as well as potential mechanisms (e.g., light, temperature and nutrients).
- I recommend to add a section of modern hydrography of the region.
→ We do think that adding a conceptual model figure will be too much (especially because we do not consider the temperature and nutrients), but we will provide a more extensive description in the introduction at the place where we introduce the site (line 129).
- In line 239, you state that “the CaCO3 AR, on the contrary, does not show any obvious temporal trend (Fig. 4), indicating that the increase in SR is compensated by decreased carbonate content in the sediment”. Maybe I’m confused, but when I’m looking for example Site 927 in Figs 3 and 4, I see that increased SR coincide with increased carbonate content between 16 and 3 Ma. Could you explain this better?
→ We did not intend to insinuate that there is no trend in the CAR at all, but wanted to highlight that the observed changes are much less obvious than the strong increase in overall sedimentation rate. We will improve the statement accordingly.
- I’m missing a section in the result part for the new δ18O, δ13C data generated from this study. Moreover, these data can provide additional information that can help the part of discussion.
→ We understand that the referees would like to see a more thorough discussion of the stable isotope record, but we believe this is beyond the scope of the present paper. Also, a more detailed discussion would result from a further extension of the record, which we are currently working on and which will be presented in another study. However, we concede that we could comment on some features of the curve already here and we propose to modify the discussion section around line 348 as follows:
We do have a similar signal as the world signal (cf Westerhold et al., 2020), with maybe even higher resolution and one isotope excursion not visible that much in the other records.
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Lines 20-21: “…, but that each interval was characterized by large orbital-scale variability” Although I understand what you mean, reword if possible.
→ This sentence will be reworded as: “We observe that the highest carbonate accumulation rates occurred during the Pliocene but that each of the studied intervals was characterised by large-magnitude orbital variability”.
Lines 23-24: “…on orbital time scales similarly or even more than on longer time scales”. Rephrase.
→ This sentence will be reworded as: “These results imply that pelagic carbonate production in the tropical ocean, buffered from large temperature changes, varied on orbital time scales. The magnitude of the orbital-scale variability was similar or even higher than the long-term mean differences among the studied intervals”.
Line 71: “plankton had no opportunity to responds to the climate cycles by migration” Add a reference.
→ This sentence will be reworded as : “[...] where the plankton could not [...]”.
Line 80: “… to assess the spatial coherence of long terms
→ The “s” at the end of “terms” will be deleted.
Line 111: “…is also characterised as wetter” wetter compared to today? clarify
→ This sentence will be clarified, specifying that indeed, it is compared to today.
Figure 1: Add scale for bathymetry
→ Yes, a colour scale for the bathymetry will be added on this figure.
Line 130: “This aseismic ridge rises several km above…” Give depth
→ The depth will be added in the text : in this location, the average depth of the seafloor is at 4500 mbsl. The Ceara Rise has a maximum thickness of 1900 m of lithogenic and biogenic sediments (the minimum depth at the Ceara Rise is about 2600 mbsl) (Curry et al., 1995, initial report).
Figure 3: This is a nice figure. 3b: I recommend to add also a small key-scale showing the values of the colors.
→ Yes, a colour scale will be added on this figure.
Line 273: “… and times of fastest sea-level change...” What do you mean by fastest sea level change?
→ Specification will be added in the text as follow: by the fastest sea level change (coinciding with the fastest ice volume change), we mean the inflection points of the d18O curve (327.55 mcd to 15605 ka and 331.5 mcd to 15930 ka).
Line 506: “a largely similar overall trend…” I cannot see that - reword this part.
→ This will be reworded in the revised version of the manuscript as follow : Our record is showing similar absolute values as Lyle et al (2019) and Drury et al. (2020) (an AR between 0 and 5 g cm-2 ka-1) and a largely similar overall trend with highest values in the late Miocene/early Pliocene and similar values in the early Miocene and Quaternary.
Lines 507-508 you state “Clearly, the overall of carbonate accumulation at the Ceara Rise supports the existence of a late Miocene carbonate maximum also under tropical conditions”. However, in lines 15-16 you note that there is “a systematic increase in sedimentation rates since the late Miocene, but carbonate accumulation rate does not show a clear trend”, which is what your data show. Therefore, these lines in the discussion need rewording.
→ Indeed, what needed to be reworded was the claim that there is no trend in CAR at Ceara Rise (line 239), which we have now corrected, following a similar comment to this end by both referees.
Lines 515: “… The two shallow sites consistently….” Add sites in a parenthesis to remind them to the reader.
→ The site's references will be added in parenthesis in the revised version of the manuscript.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2022-81-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Pauline Cornuault, 12 Sep 2022