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A robust initialization method for accurate soil organic carbon simulations
François Baudin
Hugues Clivot
Fabien Ferchaud
Sabine Houot
Florent Levavasseur
Bruno Mary
Laure Soucémarianadin
Claire Chenu
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RC1: 'Comment on bg-2021-246', Adrián Andriulo, 28 Oct 2021
The work aims to solve and reduce the main source of uncertainty of the AMG model, the Cs pool size estimation. This goal is greatly fulfilled without appealing both to the soil 13C abundance technique (when is possible to apply it) or adjusting other parameters at the same time. It is remarkable the possibility to work in non-equilibrium conditions at the initialization of the modeling, simplifying its use. Furthermore, the method could be easily adopted due to its relatively low cost.
Next, some things and questions are highlighted in order to improve the presentation of the manuscript:
1) Rock-Eval analysis of soil samples
- In the method description it is not explained what happens in the sites with CaCO3 presence (Colmar, Grignon-Folleville, Auzeville) and its impact on total C released during the process.
- Pyrolyzed organic carbon (PC), line 149: If the pyrolysis was carried out under an inert N2 atmosphere how CO and CO2 could be released during this step?
- Should be detailed how is finally estimated the proportion Cs/C0 with the PartySOC model.
- It is not clear how does the Cs pool size is finally estimated. Is the Cs obtained by the difference between TOC and the sum of all C released or is it an integrated prediction?
- Line 153: Please change mgHC•gTOC-1 by mgCH•gTOC-1.2) AMG model results presentation:
- Supplementary Material - Table 1: Why a unique bulk density value is shown? Is it the initial mean value for each LTE? Please, describe in the Table.
- It is not shown if changes in bulk density were found in the treatments. If these changes happen should be convenient to express the results for an equal soil mass, affecting the considered soil depth. In these cases, is valid to use the same Cs concentration?
- Supposing that the soil arable layer is 0-30 cm, TOC and Cs concentrations are available. Now, 0-10, 10-20 and 20-30 cm Cs concentrations are required. Is valid to obtain them multiplying by the same proportion from 0-30 cm or is necessary to Rock-Eval analysis for each depth.3) Other manuscript aspects:
- Lines 335-345: Results and Discussion are separated. However, in lines 335-345 the results are discussed.
- Supplementary Material - Figure 4: Discussion and Hypothesis are included in the figure legend.
- Please, change the expression t ha-1 by Mg ha-1 along with the manuscript.
- Line 165: change (Cécillon et al., 2021) by Cécillon et al. (2021).
- Line 391: change Cocnlusions by Conclusions.Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2021-246-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Eva Kanari, 17 Nov 2021
Dr. Andriulo (Referee 1): The work aims to solve and reduce the main source of uncertainty of the AMG model, the Cs pool size estimation. This goal is greatly fulfilled without appealing both to the soil 13C abundance technique (when is possible to apply it) or adjusting other parameters at the same time. It is remarkable the possibility to work in non-equilibrium conditions at the initialization of the modelling, simplifying its use. Furthermore, the method could be easily adopted due to its relatively low cost.
Next, some things and questions are highlighted in order to improve the presentation of the manuscript:
Reply: We deeply thank Dr. Andriulo for his positive and thorough review of our manuscript. We greatly appreciate his comments as we consider that they will help improve our manuscript.
R1: 1) Rock-Eval analysis of soil samples
- In the method description it is not explained what happens in the sites with CaCO3 presence (Colmar, Grignon-Folleville, Auzeville) and its impact on total C released during the process.
Reply: We thank Dr. Andriulo for his comment. It is briefly explained in the manuscript (lines 157–160) that for the calculation of total organic carbon content and thermal parameters only the part of the signal corresponding to organic carbon is used. We suggest reformulating lines 157–160 to make sure that this point is clear: “It is important to note that no pre-treatment of CaCO3-containing samples was necessary before Rock-Eval® analysis. The slow pyrolysis and oxidation steps of the Rock-Eval® method allow distinguishing carbon of organic and mineral form, since the latter is released above a given temperature. For the calculation of all of the above-mentioned parameters, only the part of each thermogram corresponding to organic carbon was taken into account. For this purpose, upper temperature integration limits for Rock-Eval® temperature parameters were set at 560 °C for the CO and CO2 pyrolysis thermograms, and at 611 °C for the CO2 oxidation thermograms (Cécillon et al., 2018).”. Moreover, we suggest adding the following figure describing the Rock-Eval method, in the supplementary material (a better quality figure is provided as supplement to this reply).
R1: - Pyrolyzed organic carbon (PC), line 149: If the pyrolysis was carried out under an inert N2 atmosphere how CO and CO2 could be released during this step?
Reply: We thank Dr. Andriulo for this question. Even though the carrier gas of the pyrolysis step is N2, some water and oxygen are present in soil organic matter and even in soil clay minerals that can undergo dehydration reactions at high temperatures (up to 650 °C). Generally, the amount of CO and CO2 generated during the pyrolysis step is relatively small (~by one order of magnitude) compared to the amount of carbon released as HC during pyrolysis or as CO2 during the oxidation step.
R1: - Should be detailed how is finally estimated the proportion Cs/C0 with the PartySOC model.
- It is not clear how does the Cs pool size is finally estimated. Is the Cs obtained by the difference between TOC and the sum of all C released or is it an integrated prediction?
Reply: From these two comments (as well as from the third comment of anonymous referee 2) it is clear that there is some confusion around the origin of the PARTYSOC predicted centennially stable SOC proportion and its use for AMG pool partitioning. We propose reformulating the description of the steps that lead to the Rock-Eval-based AMG initialization in lines 220–227 as follows:
"The Rock-Eval®-based initialization of CS/C0 was based on Rock-Eval® measurements of initial topsoil samples from each LTE. The proportion of centennially stable SOC was estimated using the following simple 4-step procedure: First, topsoil samples from the LTE’s onset were analysed with Rock-Eval® and the 18 thermal parameters described in Sect. 2.3 were calculated for each sample. Second, the thermal parameters were used as input for the PARTYSOC machine-learning model described in Sect. 2.4 which was run for this sample set resulting in a sample-specific prediction of the centennially stable SOC proportion. Third, the obtained values were averaged per LTE. Fourth, the site mean of the centennially stable SOC proportion was used to initialize simulations of SOC stocks for the various treatments of every site (the site standard deviation is reported on Fig. 1 and in Supplementary Material Table 2). Supported by the evident common land-use history shared by the multiple treatments of each site before the onset of simulations and as the SOC stocks and centennially stable SOC content were very homogeneous amongst each site, we also performed simulations of 17 treatments for which soil samples from the onset of the LTE were not available. In these cases, we considered that the centennially stable SOC proportion of the treatment was equal to the mean value of the respective site (Supplementary Material Table 1 and 2).
Finally, from the proportion of centennially stable SOC for a given site, the actual content of the stable SOC pool was estimated through multiplication with by total SOC content or SOC stock at a given date (e.g., for the onset of an LTE where t=0: CS = CS/C0 * C0 and QCS = CS/C0 * QC0, where CS is the stable SOC content (gC kg soil−1), C0 is the total SOC content (gC kg soil−1) at time t=0, (gC kg soil−1), QCS is the stable SOC stock (MgC ha−1), and QC0 is the total SOC stock (MgC ha−1) at time t=0)."
R1: - Line 153: Please change mgHC•gTOC-1 by mgCH•gTOC-1.
Reply: We thank Dr. Andriulo for noticing and reporting this inconsistency. We appreciate this suggestion but we would like to reformulate all occurrences of hydrocarbon abbreviation (CH) to HC instead to be consistent with the relevant literature.
R1: 2) AMG model results presentation:
- Supplementary Material - Table 1: Why a unique bulk density value is shown? Is it the initial mean value for each LTE? Please, describe in the Table.
- It is not shown if changes in bulk density were found in the treatments. If these changes happen should be convenient to express the results for an equal soil mass, affecting the considered soil depth. In these cases, is valid to use the same Cs concentration?
Reply: We appreciate this comment and we recognise the importance of this information. The soil bulk density (BD) indicated in Table 1 is the mean BD of the considered soil layer at each site. Unfortunately, very few bulk density measurements were available at most LTEs (Auzeville, Doazit, Grignon-Folleville, Kerbernez, Mant and Tartas), so the assumption was made that BD did not vary with time. In the case of Boigneville, Colmar and Feucherolles BD measurements were available at each SOC measurement date and were used to calculate SOC stocks at equivalent soil mass. We propose adding an asterisk to the BD column of Table 1 to clarify this point. Moreover, we suggest adding a line to Table 1 including information on the considered soil mass for each site.
R1: - Supposing that the soil arable layer is 0-30 cm, TOC and Cs concentrations are available. Now, 0-10, 10-20 and 20-30 cm Cs concentrations are required. Is valid to obtain them multiplying by the same proportion from 0-30 cm or is necessary to Rock-Eval analysis for each depth.
Reply: We thank Dr. Andriulo for this interesting question. The question is if it is possible to predict CS contents of sublayers based on a soil layer. We suppose it would be meaningful to consider that if the “soil arable layer” is ploughed then the mixing should homogenize both SOC content and CS distribution. Otherwise, since CS content is expected to change with depth individual sample characterization would be necessary. In the contrary case it is possible to combine sublayer data (0-10, 10-20 and 20-30 cm) to obtain information on a single soil layer (0-30 cm) (see Kanari et al., 2021).
R1: 3) Other manuscript aspects:
Reply: - Lines 335-345: Results and Discussion are separated. However, in lines 335-345 the results are discussed.
We appreciate the comment by Dr. Andriulo but we would like to keep this separation as is, since the content of lines 335-345 is closely related to Figure 2 (presented just above these lines), while the content of the discussion section is far more general.
R1: - Supplementary Material - Figure 4: Discussion and Hypothesis are included in the figure legend.
Reply: We suggest stating the discussion of Supplementary Material Fig.4 just above the figure instead and keeping only the figure description in the legend.
R1: - Please, change the expression t ha-1 by Mg ha-1 along with the manuscript.
- Line 165: change (Cécillon et al., 2021) by Cécillon et al. (2021).
- Line 391: change Cocnlusions by Conclusions
Reply: We thank the reviewer for their thorough attention to detail and we agree with these corrections.
References:
Kanari, E., Barré, P., Baudin, F., Berthelot, A., Bouton, N., Gosselin, F., Soucémarianadin, L., Savignac, F., Cécillon, L. (2021) Predicting Rock-Eval® thermal analysis parameters of a soil layer based on samples from its sublayers; an experimental study on forest soils, Organic Geochemistry, 160, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.orggeochem.2021.104289
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2021-246-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Eva Kanari, 17 Nov 2021
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RC2: 'Comment on bg-2021-246', Anonymous Referee #2, 05 Nov 2021
The article is very well written and presents and important piece of research on how Rock-Eval analysis of soil samples can be used (following AI-analysis of measured parameters) to efficiently calibrate a soil organic carbon model. Previous attempts at measuring the SOC pools used in models have not been very successful. By contrast, the present study makes a convincing case for the validity and success of the Rock-Eval & AI approach. I only have a series of minor comments:
Line 230 Least square optimization of the AMG model I suppose.
Line 232 Do you mean 13C monitoring data?
Line 265 to 267 Might just be easier to state that you compared Cs/C0 estimates for measurement based vs model optimized. The same is true in Figure 1. It seems that you are comparing two different things “Rock-Eval predicted centennially stable SOC proportion” (also refer to as PARTY in other places) vs “AMG optimized Cs/C0 proportion”, while actually you are comparing “measurement based Cs/C0” vs. “AMG optimized Cs/C0”. In short, to make it clearer, “Rock Eval + PARTY processing” would gain to be consistently referred to as “measurement based”.
Line 366 Make it clear that you are referring to results from previous studies.
Line 371-373. Do the references at the end of the sentence agree with the statement or, to the contrary, argue in favour of more complex models?
Line 384-386 Would improved accuracy for wider pedo-climatic range be dependent on having long-term bare fallow experiments available in most regions of the world?
Line 391 typo in word “conclusion”
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Eva Kanari, 17 Nov 2021
Anonymous Referee 2: The article is very well written and presents and important piece of research on how Rock-Eval analysis of soil samples can be used (following AI-analysis of measured parameters) to efficiently calibrate a soil organic carbon model. Previous attempts at measuring the SOC pools used in models have not been very successful. By contrast, the present study makes a convincing case for the validity and success of the Rock-Eval & AI approach. I only have a series of minor comments:
Reply: We deeply thank anonymous referee 2 for the positive evaluation of our work and for their constructive comments.
R2: Line 230 Least square optimization of the AMG model I suppose.
Reply: Yes, that is correct. The phrase currently reads “the best fit on observed SOC time series was obtained”. We suggest reformulating to: “the best fit of the AMG model on observed SOC time series was obtained” to clarify that the optimization was done with the AMG model.
R2: Line 232 Do you mean 13C monitoring data?
Reply: Yes, that is correct, we refer to natural abundance 13C data. We suggest including this clarification in the phrase (instead of its current position in a parenthesis at the end of the sentence) to avoid confusion. "In sites with C3-C4 vegetation change chronosequences where δ13C long-term monitoring data were available, the model was adapted to simultaneously match the observed evolution of C, C3 and C4 stocks (Clivot et al., 2019) for a given treatment."
R2: Line 265 to 267 Might just be easier to state that you compared CS/C0 estimates for measurement based vs model optimized. The same is true in Figure 1. It seems that you are comparing two different things "Rock-Eval predicted centennially stable SOC proportion" (also refer to as PARTY in other places) vs "AMG optimized CS/C0 proportion", while actually you are comparing "measurement based CS/C0" vs. "AMG optimized CS/C0". In short, to make it clearer, "Rock Eval + PARTY processing" would gain to be consistently referred to as "measurement based".
Reply: We appreciate the suggestion and we agree that changing all references from “PARTYSOC predicted” and “Rock-Eval-based predictions” to a uniform phrasing would make the manuscript easier to read. We propose using “PARTYSOC predicted stable SOC proportion” and “AMG optimized stable SOC proportion” throughout the manuscript.
R2: Line 366 Make it clear that you are referring to results from previous studies.
Reply: We thank the reviewer for their suggestion and we propose repeating the relevant references at the end of the sentence in line 367 to highlight that we are referring to results from previous studies: "is amongst the best available modelling frameworks of SOC dynamics in European arable land (Martin et al., 2019; Farina et al., 2021)."
R2: Line 371-373. Do the references at the end of the sentence agree with the statement or, to the contrary, argue in favour of more complex models?
Reply: The references used at the end of the sentence are participating in the debate for the most appropriate model structure. Some are in favour of more complex models (Lehmann et al., 2020; Crowther et al., 2019), some argue that a balance between explicit mechanisms and mathematical simplicity is necessary (Shi et al., 2018), while others discuss the power of simple models when novel initialization methods are used (Cécillon et al., 2021a, Dangal et al., 2021, Lee at al., 2020). We suggest expanding the current statement, since we believe this work should have a substantial voice in this debate, separating the references accordingly. "More generally, we recommend that the potential of multi-compartmental SOC dynamics models be fully explored and exploited by soil biogeochemists before a new generation of models of increased complexity becomes operational. While new models including the diversity of microbial communities and related processes are emerging (Lehmann et al., 2020; Crowther et al., 2019), the uncertain structure and parametrization of more complex models is hindering their application as robust predictive tools (Shi et al., 2018). At the same time, simple conceptual models of SOC dynamics like AMG combined with novel initialization methods and data-based approaches such as PARTYSOC show promising improvements (Cécillon, 2021a; Dangal et al., 2021; Lee et al., 2020)."
R2: Line 384-386 Would improved accuracy for wider pedo-climatic range be dependent on having long-term bare fallow experiments available in most regions of the world?
Reply: We thank the anonymous referee for this question. It is true that in-situ information on biogeochemical stability of SOC is not easy to access, yet it remains crucial for the calibration of the PARTYSOC model and for its expansion to larger scale. As briefly discussed in the manuscript (lines 382-384) apart from the currently used long-term bare fallows and C3-C4 vegetation change chronosequences, in this work we present how long-term agronomical experiments can be used instead for its calibration.
R2: Line 391 typo in word “conclusion”
Reply: We thank the reviewer for noticing and reporting the mistake.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2021-246-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Eva Kanari, 17 Nov 2021