Articles | Volume 22, issue 16
https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-22-4187-2025
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Southern Hemisphere tree rings as proxies to reconstruct Southern Ocean upwelling
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- Final revised paper (published on 26 Aug 2025)
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RC1: 'Review', Anonymous Referee #1, 27 Jan 2025
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Christian Lewis, 28 Mar 2025
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-4107', Anonymous Referee #2, 27 Jan 2025
- AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Christian Lewis, 28 Mar 2025
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RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-4107', Anonymous Referee #3, 08 Feb 2025
- AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Christian Lewis, 28 Mar 2025
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ED: Reconsider after major revisions (02 Apr 2025) by Niels de Winter
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ED: Publish as is (07 May 2025) by Niels de Winter
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This paper presents new 14C data from tree rings in New Zealand from the last 45 years or so. I believe the data are worth publishing, but I have a few concern on the present state of the draft, which might need improvements:
1. In my view the new data should be set in a better context of existing 14C data of the southern hemisphere (SH) of the last 100 years or so. While the authors cite Hua et al 2021 (which should be cited as published in 2022, https://doi.org/10.1017/RDC.2021.95), which split (following earlier papers) the 14C data 1950-2019 into 5 zones (2 in the SH), I am missing how the new data would agree/disagree with SH zone 1-2 (which is where the positions of the trees from which the new 14C data are measured are situated). Furthermore, Levin et al. (2022, https://doi.org/10.1017/RDC.2021.102) also showed 14C data for different latitudes. Here, especially Neumeyer Station in Antarctica and Macquary Island in the Southern Ocean are of interest. So, at best, the new data from Lewis et al are presented in the wider context of the data presented in these two papers. In this context it might be necessary to recalculate the Southern Hemisphere atmospheric background of ∆14CO2, from which the anomalies of individual sites are calculated.
2. For the back-trajectories (Figure 4) the Southern Ozean is split in different zones according to the positions of the Antarctic Polar Front and other fronts as published in Orsi et al 1995. My understanding of postitions of fronts, widely based on Freeman and Lovenduski (2016, doi:10.5194/essd-8-191-2016) is that the defintion of these fronts might be different when based on newer studies. Thus, it might be necessary to revise the calculations of back-trajectories and if and how this might help to distinguish which water masses might influence via sea-air gas exchange the measured 14C data. This might also influence Figure 6.
3. The overall motivation of the study, that these new 14C data might be used as proxies for Southern Ocean upwelling, which is already mentioned in the title, might need more support. My concern is based on the fact that not only the upwelling water mass in the Southern Ocean is depleted in 14C (old), but also the anthropogenic CO2 flux which operates in the the opposite direction (atmosphere->ocean), since this is mainly based on 14C-free fossil fuel emissions. If you look at the atmospheric D14CO2 time series in Hua et al 2022 you see that the southern most data for the last decades have actually higher values than the northern ones. I believe this is understood by the fact that the 14C-free CO2 emission (14C Suess Effect)being mainly in the NH, but I cannot remember a citation to this idea. Here, it is now argued that the small scale differences between some sides in the SH can be used to pin down the upwelling flux of old waters. I think it is necessary to discuss that what is concluded here on smaller scale (upwelling of old 14C-depleted waters reduces atm D14CO2 in some places around the Southern Ocean) is opposite (and maybe counterintuitive) to the more global picture (14C Suess effect larger in N than in S).
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- Line 40: Citation to „Peter Landschutzer, 2015“ is weird (first name?) and missing in the reference list.
- The DOI to 10.5281/zenodo.14532802 (Data Availability) does not work.