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The influence of elevated CO2 and soil depth on rhizosphere activity and nutrient availability in a mature Eucalyptus woodland
Catriona A. Macdonald
David S. Ellsworth
Yolima Carrillo
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- Final revised paper (published on 02 Feb 2023)
- Preprint (discussion started on 11 Jul 2022)
- Supplement to the preprint
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RC1: 'Comment on bg-2022-145', Anonymous Referee #1, 29 Jul 2022
General comments
This study is part of the EucFACE experiment, aiming to understand the effects of elevated CO2 on belowground soil parameters and aspects of nutrient cycling. Such study becomes even more important when considering that terrestrial ecosystems might be limited by nitrogen (N) and/or phosphorus (P) as is potentially the case for this study site in Australia. Understanding the role of nutrient limitation on the so-called “CO2 fertilisation effect” is therefore crucial. The authors investigated rhizosphere and bulk soils in terms of C, N and P availability, enzyme activities and root stocks in deeper (>30cm) soil layers.
The manuscript does fit into the scope of this journal and it is overall very well written, organised and also concise. Figures and tables are clear and are sufficient. This study presents novel data regarding the responses of this mature Eucalyptus forest to elevated CO2, but following other studies in the same area, none or weak responses were found, even after 5 years of manipulation. Stronger differences between the studied parameters were found between soil types (rhizosphere and bulk soil) and soil depth, rather than with elevated CO2. The authors then argue that their results indicate a faster recycling of nutrients rather than increasing nutrient availability derived from organic matter decomposition. Although I see the point made here, I think that the discussion and conclusions of the manuscript could benefit from integrating a bit more of previous results from EucFACE studies. Some references to past work are made along the text, but I suggest (see specific comments below) that such references and comparisons could be expanded and come in different parts of the text (for example, expanding on root productivity/turnover and litter decomposition previous results). Only when making such stronger links I would think that the conclusions are then justified.
Although I understand and agree that understanding soil-plant feedbacks in deeper soils is important when talking about climate change scenarios, I think that the deeper layer (below 30 cm depth, called “transition layer”) is not really discussed and perhaps the authors should consider if it really needs to be included in the manuscript. A suggestion could be to include it in the supplementary material. This could give the authors space to bring the methods regarding enzymes to the main text as well.
And finally, a bit about short versus long-term impact of these results could add to the discussion and future perspectives in the conclusions.
Specific comments
Lines 142-143
Freezing the soil samples prior to enzyme analysis is not ideal, as freezing and thawing could kill the microbes. Why was this approach chosen? I recognise that this cannot be changed for the publication, but I recommend the authors to write a few sentences about the caveats of this and perhaps only discuss their results in terms of the differences between treatments, since the absolute values could be well underestimated. Another option is to make a quick comparison with other studies, perhaps in similar areas/conditions, to show that the absolute values were not affected by the soil preparation method chosen.
Suggested references for the debate:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0038071712004476?casa_token=_VQgFC080-sAAAAA:0OipU3cTduPiXo0_g6QWb8HCel8rb2lO_jxEYQR6uWx_tIg38yq4T_IS8IxXmeqw4vbbRdSoMg
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0038071709004441?casa_token=yD92bxS-vEQAAAAA:c3l8X3LT_9bRJ84K2fZ6g5P0P3E1abvweiZlv0u_ok17lYxNs4eix5oZw9vAombmMqdVl_Vnpg
Why not include the enzyme methodology into the main manuscript document?
Line 188
How did you deal with it? Data was transformed to log as described in lines 194-195?
Lines 273-274
It seems that this sentence is contradicting the previous ones in this paragraph. If there was more P available with depth (because you argue there are less roots and microbial activity in those deeper layers), why do you state that “P became limiting at depth”?
I would understand that overall P is more limiting than N, as supported by your enzyme results, but the depth argument is not very clear to me in this section. Could you clarify this, please?
Lines 300-301
I would suggest adding another argument here at the end of this paragraph, to put P availability of your site/plots into perspective, by comparing it to other studies. Although you state that this is a both P and N poor site, your results indeed point to perhaps more inorganic P being cycled than organic P. Comparing with other studies could strengthen your discussion.
Lines 308-310
Can you expand a bit more on how you can extrapolate your findings to turnover? I suggest bringing a bit the discussion from lines 337-339 (reference from Pineiro et al 2020) here as well.
Lines 346-347
I suggest that this reference https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0016706181900240 could strengthen your argument.
Lines 378-379
It could be useful to add a bit of the short-term versus long-term responses, as perhaps, the system might not be able to keep this faster cycling for too long under nutrient limitation.
Technical corrections
Line 38
Reference style should be revised.
Line 47
“thus promote” should be “ thus promoting”.
Line 74
Add hyphen: depth-dependent.
Line 124
Remove ; after Londonderry clay and perhaps add a parenthesis.
Lines 135-137
I suggest to revise this sentence to: “Although the depth of the transition layer differed throughout the site, the chemical properties are assumed to be similar within this zone across the plots, as the water periodically builds up above the clay before it drains, creating conditions for podzolification.”
Line 168
From “mineralization, rate” to mineralization rate,”
Line 172
Should read “added in duplicate to fresh and…”
Line 185
Shouldn’t it be the effect of eCO2 and depth on roots, and not the other way around?
Line 192
“analysis all CO2” should read “analysis of all CO2”.
Line 198-199
Reverse the results for better flow. Since you report a decrease with depth, state the 0-10cm results first, followed by the deeper layers.
Line 205
Was the 24% increase for both 0-10 and 10-30 cm together (averaged) or the magnitude of change was the same for both depths separately?
Line 614
Remove the italics format.
Lines 221-222
Could you point to where (table, figure) we could see those results?
Line 680
Parenthesis missing after 10-30 cm.
Line 627
Instead of “for of a mature” it should read “for a mature”.
Line 323
Initial caps missing in “rather the…”.
Line 326
PO4+ or PO43-?
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2022-145-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Johanna Pihlblad, 10 Oct 2022
Dear Reviewer #1
The authors would like to thank the anonymous referee #1 for the thorough attention and skill with which the referee read and suggested edits as well as general comments to the manuscript titled "The influence of elevated CO2 and soil depth on rhizosphere activity and nutrient availability in a mature Eucalyptus woodland" by Johanna Pihlblad et al., Biogeosciences Discuss (bg-2022-145). We are confident that the edits and comments suggested by anonymous reviewer #1 has made the manuscript into a more clear and higher quality paper.
Briefly we decided to adhere to the reviewers’ main general comment to strengthen the link to previous results as well as introduce the enzyme data in the main text along with their methodology. However, though we agree with the reviewer #1 that the transition layer is not the main discussion point of the paper, we do think there is value in presenting the transition layer data and statistical testing of the transition layer data in the main text given it is not a common endeavor to look at the deeper layers of soil (specifically clay related properties at depth) and the microbial usage of nutrients in this sphere under elevated CO2 or indeed in any large-scale ecological experiments. Though the knowledge gained is based on negative results the novel information is of value for further studies informing on an area of soil affected by climate change factors that have previously not been included in the scientific cannon. For this reason, we want to keep it in the main text though we deeply appreciate the attention to detail and skill by which the reviewer has considered the manuscript as a whole.
Below we have detailed the changes made to the manuscript and if when not changed as suggested the reasons for not doing so.
Kind regards on behalf of all listed authors,
Dr Johanna Pihlblad
Specific comments
Lines 142-143: Freezing the soil samples prior to enzyme analysis is not ideal, as freezing and thawing could kill the microbes. Why was this approach chosen? I recognize that this cannot be changed for the publication, but I recommend the authors to write a few sentences about the caveats of this and perhaps only discuss their results in terms of the differences between treatments, since the absolute values could be well underestimated. Another option is to make a quick comparison with other studies, perhaps in similar areas/conditions, to show that the absolute values were not affected by the soil preparation method chosen.
Suggested references for the debate:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0038071712004476?casa_token=_VQgFC080-sAAAAA:0OipU3cTduPiXo0_g6QWb8HCel8rb2lO_jxEYQR6uWx_tIg38yq4T_IS8IxXmeqw4vbbRdSoMg
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0038071709004441?casa_token=yD92bxS-vEQAAAAA:c3l8X3LT_9bRJ84K2fZ6g5P0P3E1abvweiZlv0u_ok17lYxNs4eix5oZw9vAombmMqdVl_Vnpg
Why not include the enzyme methodology into the main manuscript document?
The reason for freezing soil after harvesting prior to the analysis of potential enzyme activity was mainly due to two reasons; firstly, the time restrictions during the field harvest, making sure the soil was processed no longer than 7 days was crucial to maintain the validity not just for the enzyme analysis but also for the other microbial pools and rates of transformation as well as C and nutrient pools. Collecting the field samples was done over 5 days followed by a day of sieving and processing leaving no time to mauver around analysing potential enzyme activity on fresh soil. Secondly, to not cause the enzymes to break down due to hot temperatures often experienced on the eastern coast of NSW, Australia. If the samples were kept fresh or air dried and stored for the analysis the sometimes high temperatures experienced in this region can degrade the enzymes faster than in the milder temperate or Mediterranean climates of the northern hemisphere. To minimize temperature degradation of the soil enzymes, which can happen in hotter climates, aliquots of soils were frozen in -20 ˚C. Additionally, a standard dry sample was included on every plate prepared for analysis allowing for inter plate comparison showing similar levels of enzyme activities as the frozen and thawed soils (data not shown).
Other studies from the same region have all used frozen soils for their potential enzyme activity including but not limited to:
Hasegawa, S., Macdonald, C.A. and Power, S.A. (2016), Elevated carbon dioxide increases soil nitrogen and phosphorus availability in a phosphorus-limited Eucalyptus woodland. Glob Change Biol, 22: 1628-1643. https://doi-org.ezproxy.uws.edu.au/10.1111/gcb.13147
Additionally, the enzyme data table and methodology was included in the main paper as suggested by the reviewer.
Line 188: How did you deal with it? Data was transformed to log as described in lines 194-195?
It’s not uncommon for data describing gross rates to miss values and have skewed distributions between treatments, for this reason we are removing the current description and instead writing the following for clarity: “For gross N mineralization rate in the deepest layer (10 to 30 cm depth) ammonium concentrations in most samples were below detection limit.”
Lines 273-274: It seems that this sentence is contradicting the previous ones in this paragraph. If there was more P available with depth (because you argue there are less roots and microbial activity in those deeper layers), why do you state that “P became limiting at depth”? I would understand that overall P is more limiting than N, as supported by your enzyme results, but the depth argument is not very clear to me in this section. Could you clarify this, please?
The section was clarified by adding the sentence: “Hence, without the influence of roots, N and P both declined at a similar rate, while keeping the total magnitude of N larger than P as both decreased with depth.” And changing the last sentence to be more explicit: “Furthermore, inorganic P decreased with depth more resources were invested to access it, supported by the consistently higher P targeting enzyme activity than N enzyme activity".
Lines 300-301: I would suggest adding another argument here at the end of this paragraph, to put P availability of your site/plots into perspective, by comparing it to other studies. Although you state that this is a both P and N poor site, your results indeed point to perhaps more inorganic P being cycled than organic P. Comparing with other studies could strengthen your discussion.
The end of the paragraph has been edited to strengthn the argument as suggested by the reviewer: “…microbes in the rhizosphere as an alternative to high energy cost enzyme production. Although soil P accumulates in the soil organic fraction with increasing soil age (Crews et al., 1995) this soil is also rich in metal oxides with large surfaces capable of adsorbing phosphate ions (Achat et al., 2016) which root activity in the rhizosphere can release with the help of organic acids (Adeleke et al., 2017).”
Lines 308-310: Can you expand a bit more on how you can extrapolate your findings to turnover? I suggest bringing a bit the discussion from lines 337-339 (reference from Pineiro et al 2020) here as well.
The paragraph was amended to include: “Because we did not find a significant increase in potential enzyme activity in the rhizosphere (Table 5) this effect can instead be driven by microbial biomass turnover and a strong recycling of nutrients without large decomposition of SOM requiring enzyme activity. Although we can show that deep rhizosphere has an impact on available nutrients our study cannot assess if plants are utilising the increased availability though increased root turnover (Piñeiro et al., 2020) has been reported suggesting that is the case.”
Lines 346-347: I suggest that this reference
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0016706181900240 could strengthen your argument.
We agree that the McGill and Cole (1981) reference is a good addition to strengthen the argument. The sentence has been edited to the following: “Mineral adsorbed P forms are however sensitive to root derived changes in pH (Jones and Darrah, 1994), representing a different mechanism for affecting the P cycle separate from SOM decomposition (McGill and Cole, 1981).”
Lines 378-379: It could be useful to add a bit of the short-term versus long-term responses, as perhaps, the system might not be able to keep this faster cycling for too long under nutrient limitation.
The short term versus long term effect is briefly discussed in the section starting on line 345. One additional point was added to increase the contextual importance of new C on soil C stocks at the end of that same paragraph: "Tough a recent meta-analysis assigning short- and long-term effect of newly fixated C on soil C stocks could show that any short-term gains of C into SOM was gone after one to four years (van Groenigen et al., 2017).".
Technical corrections
Line 38: Reference style should be revised.
The reference style was corrected throughout the manuscript.
Line 47: “thus promote” should be “thus promoting”.
The sentence has been changes to “thus promoting” as suggested by reviewer #1.
Line 74: Add hyphen: depth-dependent.
Hyphen was added as suggested.
Line 124: Remove ; after Londonderry clay and perhaps add a parenthesis.
The “;” was removed and the sentence was changed to: “…clay layer called Londonderry clay (Atkinson, 1988) found…”.
Lines 135-137: I suggest to revise this sentence to: “Although the depth of the transition layer differed throughout the site, the chemical properties are assumed to be similar within this zone across the plots, as the water periodically builds up above the clay before it drains, creating conditions for podzolification.”
The sentence was changed as suggested by reviewer 1.
Line 168: From “mineralization, rate” to mineralization rate,”
The comma was removed as suggested by reviewer 1.
Line 172: Should read “added in duplicate to fresh and…”
The sentence was changes as suggested by reviewer 1.
Line 185: Shouldn’t it be the effect of eCO2 and depth on roots, and not the other way around?
Sentence was changed as suggested by reviewer 1.
Line 192: “analysis all CO2” should read “analysis of all CO2”.
Sentence was changed as suggested by reviewer 1.
Line 198-199: Reverse the results for better flow. Since you report a decrease with depth, state the 0-10cm results first, followed by the deeper layers.
Section was edited to reflect the comments of reviewer 1 as follows: “Fine root biomass density significantly decreased with depth and ranged from 0.12 mg∙g-1 in the 0-10 cm depth to 2.75 mg∙g-1 in the transition depth (Figure 2).”
Line 205: Was the 24% increase for both 0-10 and 10-30 cm together (averaged) or the magnitude of change was the same for both depths separately?
The 24 % is referring to the magnitude change between bulk and rhizosphere soil as an average of the 0-10 cm and 10-30 cm depth (soil type as single factor). The sentence was edited to clarify this in the following way: “The DOC was significantly higher (by 24 %) in rhizosphere soil than bulk soil (Figure 2 and Table 1) when averaged for 0-10 and 10-30 cm depths.”
Line 614: Remove the italics format.
The italics format was removed as suggested.
Lines 221-222: Could you point to where (table, figure) we could see those results?
Figure reference were added as suggested by reviewer: “…ambient 10-30 cm rhizosphere (Figure 5), though…”
Line 680: Parenthesis missing after 10-30 cm.
Parenthesis was added as suggested by reviewer.
Line 627: Instead of “for of a mature” it should read “for a mature”.
Edited as suggested by reviewer.
Line 323: Initial caps missing in “rather the…”.
Typo corrected.
Line 326; PO4+ or PO43-?
The correct compound here is: ”PO4-3”, which has been corrected in text.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2022-145-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Johanna Pihlblad, 10 Oct 2022
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RC2: 'Comment on bg-2022-145', Anonymous Referee #2, 03 Aug 2022
This manuscript describes the shifts that might occur in nutrient cycling under elevated CO2. The manuscript focuses on bulk soil and the rhizosphere interface across several depths representing shallow soils to the soil-saprolite transition area. These measurements took place at the EucFACE experimental site, which is predominantly limited by phosphorus.Broadly, this is an interesting manuscript that provides additional data on nutrient cycling below the shallower 0-10 cm zone typically measured. The most interesting finding, from my perspective, is that the acceleration of nutrient cycling under eCO2 satisfies the nutrient demand for plants, more so than the broader increase in nutrient stocks. However, maybe when one extrapolates this to the level of warming expected for this atmospheric CO2 concentration that might not be the case.I don't have any broad comments, and believe this manuscript will be a good contribution to the broader literature on eCO2 impacts (as reviewed by Walker et al., New Phytologist, 2021). However, while the authors generate interesting metrics showing that nutrient cycling at deeper soil depths is accelerated by eCO2, I remain unclear how much of the plant's nutritional demand is derived from these deeper regions relative to the shallower soils (< 10 cm) where the bulk of nutrient stocks and roots are located?Minor comments:Ln 17-18: I think this is one of the more interesting aspects of the study, however, this sentence in the abstract is very vague, and doesn't really tell me how eCO2 influenced nutrient availability. A stronger sentence would help the abstract.Ln 33 -34: The sentence structure here is rather awkward, can it be re-written for clarity?Ln 38: Referencing of these two Iverson pprs needs to be fixed.Ln 47: 'thus promote' is a little awkward too - 'and thus promote' might work, or 'thus promoting', maybe?Ln 90: Is there any information on belowground activity under eCO2? Could water also be limited at this site? Also, what is the average rooting depth for these trees? How much for that is below 10 cm?Ln 143: I thought enzyme measurements were traditionally done on fresh soil samples. Why were these performed on (presumably)thawed samples, and how slowly were they thawed? Thawing too quickly will likely impose selection for tolerant members of the community. Maybe it's not a problem if all the samples are treated the same (enzymes measurements are potentials after all).Ln 200: comma after 'where'.Ln 264: I'm not sure I quite understand the connection between microbial P and plant roots here. Maybe I missed the broader point, but I found this a little unclear.Ln 271: What is the average water table depth at this site? I assume there is little strong redox chemistry occurring here that might impact the N-cycle and favor N-loss.Ln 287: I'm not sure I'm convinced by this argument. The site is not limited by N or C, right? And the allocation to enzymes is trivial relative to that required to build microbial biomass (which increases under eCO2). I guess this interpretation also depends on how you interpret the enzyme data, which can be notoriously difficult. Does an increase in enzymes represent the availability of a given substrate (feast mode), or microbial limitation by a given substrate (bet-hedging approach). How you interpret your enzyme data goes some way to how you interpret the enzyme response.Ln 335: I tend to think it means the 'potential' is there to decompose plant material down the soil column.Citation: https://doi.org/
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Johanna Pihlblad, 10 Oct 2022
Dear Reviewer #2
We thank annonomous reviewer #2 for carefully reading and suggesting edits to the manuscript titled "The influence of elevated CO2 and soil depth on rhizosphere activity and nutrient availability in a mature Eucalyptus woodland" by Johanna Pihlblad et al., Biogeosciences Discuss (bg-2022-145) and are confident the work is better for it.
Below we have outlined how the suggested edits have been changed in response to the individual comments and questions.
Kind regards on behalf of all listed authors,
Dr Johanna Pihlblad
Specific Comments
Ln 17-18: I think this is one of the more interesting aspects of the study, however, this sentence in the abstract is very vague, and doesn't really tell me how eCO2 influenced nutrient availability. A stronger sentence would help the abstract.
The sentence in the abstract was changed to: “We found decreasing nutrient availability and gross N mineralization with depth, however this depth associated decreased was reduced under elevated CO2 which we suggest is due to enhanced root influence.”
Ln 33 -34: The sentence structure here is rather awkward, can it be re-written for clarity?
The sentence was reworked to improve readability as follows: “Higher root exudation rates, stimulation of root growth and fine root production and turnover are all mechanisms that can potentially elicit SOM decomposition and subsequent nutrient release in the rhizosphere (Bernard et al., 2022).”
Ln 38: Referencing of these two Iverson pprs needs to be fixed.
The referencing style has been corrected throughout the manuscript.
Ln 47: 'thus promote' is a little awkward too - 'and thus promote' might work, or 'thus promoting', maybe?
The sentence has been changes to “thus promoting” as suggested by both reviewer #1 and reviewer #2.
Ln 90: Is there any information on belowground activity under eCO2? Could water also be limited at this site? Also, what is the average rooting depth for these trees? How much for that is below 10 cm?
Yes, these questions are very interesting and warranted and the belowground activity is introduced later in this paragraph including the most up to date studies from the EucFACE facility. It is also common for Eucalyptus trees to have very deep structural and water seeking roots that can reach as far as down as 10-28 meters to access groundwater aquifers. No studies have been published from this specific site as of yet about the maximum rooting depth of this tree stand though long-term sensors at EucFACE have observed two aquifers in the top four meter of soil believed to be used by the trees. Especially during periods of drought there can be a case where the top one meter of soil is very dry to the point of being hydrophobic, but the trees are not drought stressed due to access to groundwater. However, this isn’t included here due to the lack of published studies supporting any statement on maximum rooting depth and if the trees are water limited or not. The paragraph was however amended to include a general statement about rooting depth for Eucalyptus trees as follows: “Additionally, Eucalyptus trees are known to have very deep roots to access water from groundwater aquifers (Laclau et al., 2013), though fine roots capable of nutrient acquisition are thought to be most abundant in the surface soil layers (Piñeiro et al., 2020).”
Ln 143: I thought enzyme measurements were traditionally done on fresh soil samples. Why were these performed on (presumably)thawed samples, and how slowly were they thawed? Thawing too quickly will likely impose selection for tolerant members of the community. Maybe it's not a problem if all the samples are treated the same (enzymes measurements are potentials after all).
See response to reviewer #1 on similar comment.
Ln 200: comma after 'where'.
Changed as suggested by reviewer #2.
Ln 264: I'm not sure I quite understand the connection between microbial P and plant roots here. Maybe I missed the broader point, but I found this a little unclear.
The connection is that both microbial P and fine root density both declined in response to eCO2 in the 0-10 cm depth. The sentence was edited to improve this as follows: "The microbial P concentration decreased under eCO2 in the 0-10 cm depth in the bulk soil (Figure 6C), this is similar to the negative effect of CO2 on fine root density (Figure 2), suggesting that root density and microbial P respond similarly to eCO2 since both decreased".
Ln 271: What is the average water table depth at this site? I assume there is little strong redox chemistry occurring here that might impact the N-cycle and favor N-loss.
Yes, we agree that the redox reactions likely found here is affecting the P availability. As for the water table it was not found in the top 1 meter that was investigated in this study. There are at least two groundwater aquifers found withing the first four meters of soil at this location (Data not shown).
Ln 287: I'm not sure I'm convinced by this argument. The site is not limited by N or C, right? And the allocation to enzymes is trivial relative to that required to build microbial biomass (which increases under eCO2). I guess this interpretation also depends on how you interpret the enzyme data, which can be notoriously difficult. Does an increase in enzymes represent the availability of a given substrate (feast mode), or microbial limitation by a given substrate (bet-hedging approach). How you interpret your enzyme data goes some way to how you interpret the enzyme response.
We have edited the context of the arguments weight by changing the sentence to include: "...enzymes (Olander and Vitousek, 2000), although there is no indication N or C are limiting for enzyme production in this system."
Ln 335: I tend to think it means the 'potential' is there to decompose plant material down the soil column.
The sentence has been edited to include a suggestion from reviewer 1: “… that plant matter have the potential of being decomposed throughout the soil profile.”
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-2022-145-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Johanna Pihlblad, 10 Oct 2022