Articles | Volume 22, issue 6
https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-22-1651-2025
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Temporal dynamics and environmental controls of carbon dioxide and methane fluxes measured by the eddy covariance method over a boreal river
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This paper reports a fairly long and potentially valuable time series of CO2 and CH4 fluxes measured directly by the eddy covariance (EC) method over a boreal river. EC method certainly offers many advantages over other methods (chamber, tracer) in terms of temporal and spatial scales. At the same time, careful processing and filtering of EC data are critical for the data to be trust worthy. I have some reservations about the authors’ flux processing/filter methods. Please see detailed comments below.
Concurrent observations of pCO2w, water flow speed and discharge, in addition to winds, seem to offer the ideal setup for examining the drivers for the transfer velocity of CO2 (flux/dC). Yet puzzlingly, the authors have chosen to bypass this calculation entirely. The multi-linear regression approach has some usefulness for investigating the drivers of pCO2w. But it’s less suitable for investigating the drivers of flux in my opinion. As it stands, I don't feel like I've learned much new from this paper.
That the CO2 flux measurements were made from an undried Licor raises question marks, as it’s well known by now that H2O can cause a substantial interference in CO2 flux over water. If the Picarro also measured CO2, the authors can compare CO2 flux from the two instruments.
I have a strong suspicion that the flux footprint overlapped onto the land upwind at times, which possibly contributed to the observed diurnal cycle in CO2 flux. Please check carefully.
Detailed comments:
Line 44-46. Not sure if this brief section warrants mentioning at this stage.
Line 106. Lack of drying is a concern for the Licor7200. Several works have now shown that for air-sea flux measurements, not drying the air will result in biased CO2 flux measurements due to imperfect H2O correction within the Licor (e.g. www.atmos-chem-phys.net/14/3361/2014/ ).
The H2O issue may be less severe for the Picarro (e.g. www.atmos-meas-tech.net/9/5509/2016/), perhaps due to the very sharp laser frequency (compared to Licor’s broadband).
Does the Picarro not measure CO2 as well? It would be insightful to compare CO2 flux from the Picarro vs. the Licor7200.
Line 122: lag of 0.34 s was used for CO2 and 7.0 s for CH4
Looking at the indicated inlet dimensions and flow rates, I compute a delay time of <0.1 s for CO2 and <0.6 s for CH4. These look to be very different from the estimated delay time from the maximum covariance method, especially for CH4. Did the Picarro subsample from the 10 m inlet? Or were too many outlier delay estimates included in the mean calculation? The computed flux will be biased low if the delay time is incorrect.
Line 132. I don’t see this low frequency ‘attenuation’ correction being applied very often. I understand that by linear detrending, an implicit decision is made such that variability below a certain frequency is not considered to be flux in the EC calculation. A typical averaging time scale of 30 min is never going to statistically capture those very slow varying eddies. But this low frequency signal (e.g. due to convection within the boundary layer) could have either a positive or negative contribution of the flux, right? Then in that case is it really an ‘attenuation’?
More generally, it’d be useful to see the mean CO2 and CH4 cospectra.
Line 158. ‘removed’ or ‘retained’? I would’ve thought that the low variability data should be retained.
Line 161. Z0 of 0.01 m seems large for a water body. Furthermore, the flux footprint is very sensitive to the stability of the atmosphere. Stable conditions lead to much larger footprints and in this case more overlap with upwind land. From the measured sonic flux, the authors can probably screen out cases when the atmosphere is stable. I’m guessing that for a lot of the daytime measurements, Ta > Tsurf and it was fairly stable.
Fig 6a. that CO2 flux goes negative in midday in June, to me, suggests that the EC flux footprint is overlapping onto land further upwind. (As shown in Figure 3, pCO2w >> pCO2a during the entire campaign). This is probably because of the stable atmosphere when Ta > Tsurf. I suggest the authors check their flux filtering more carefully before commenting further on the apparent diurnal cycle in CO2 flux.
Section 4.1 see this paper on filtering of CO2 and CH4 fluxes from a coastal site, which may be of use: www.atmos-chem-phys.net/16/5745/2016/
In particular, the authors could use dC/dt and <u’C’> as additional filtering criteria for longer distance transport.
Also, I’m not sure if section 4.1 is most suitable for discussion. Might be more suitable for the methods section.
Table 5. I understand that pCO2a didn’t vary hugely and thus variability in dpCO2 is more driven by variability in pCO2w. Still, shouldn’t be the air-water concentration difference in pCO2, rather than pCO2w that’s most relevant here?
Also, why don’t the authors compute the CO2 transfer velocity (flux/dC), and then explore how the transfer velocity may be affected by these secondary terms? It seems strange to have multi-linear relationships where flux is parametrized as e.g.: a * pCO2w + b*U. Surely something like flux = (a + b * U + c*Uw) * dpCO2w would be better (I’ve neglected temperature dependencies for simplicity).
Line 351. Is there a diurnal cycle in measured pCO2w? That’d help to address this inconsistency.
Line 364. Were there previous pCH4w measurements at this site? Or pCH4 from similar rivers? What sort of CH4 supersaturation and flux are we expecting roughly?