Articles | Volume 21, issue 7
https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-21-1785-2024
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Hypoxia also occurs in small highly turbid estuaries: the example of the Charente (Bay of Biscay)
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General comments:
The manuscript is like many others reporting low oxygen conditions where not measured before. The results are not particularly new given that deoxygenation occurs more and more, either because of poor water quality (usually eutrophication) or more collection of data. The idea of a turbidity maximum is presented as an issue, but there are few data that link the turbidity maximum and low oxygen. Otherwise, the usual water quality parameters are those important in the development of the low oxygen—warmer waters, sluggish circulation, organic matter decomposition, especially from dense algal blooms.
There are poor language choices, poor logic statements; several examples were pointed out. These poor choices of words generate many illogical statements and poor understanding of the important issues and their positioning in the eventual interpretation of the results. There needs to be a thorough revision of the entire manuscript to use proper English, punctuation, consistency in references cited in the text and in the list of references.
The various methods used were not necessarily the best for defining low oxygen conditions. The results are a mixture of many different studies, methods, frequency of measurements, and methods to measure duration of low oxygen. For example, probes were placed 0.5 m below the surface. This is not a reasonable method to detect low oxygen conditions through the water column. The resources of concern, migrating fish use different depths of the water column, and thus potentially disrupted at different levels. The ‘high’ frequency data are gappy, which is acknowledged, but too many conclusions are expressed in general terms rather than sound evidence, especially based on near-surface water data.
Now that the authors have used the data to make predictions into the future, the federal (or provincial) agencies should fund an adequate monitoring program for spring, summer, and early fall. Recommendations from this study could inform what the program would include. Strategically placed profiling sondes for dissolved oxygen, temperature, and salinity information through the water column in at least a portion of the estuary for a volume-placed inquiry, especially including the bottom (or near-bottom) water where dissolved oxygen conditions are assumed to be critically low.
Section 4. Concluding Remarks is a correct, concise and well-presented summary of the reasons for the study, the basic results, and the implications for the future. The bulk of the manuscript is not any of these modifiers.
Specific comments:
L 30, “these” does not identify the antecedent. The two larger estuaries, or multiple ones (not yet identified) between them.
L 31, the first oyster producing area [by aquaculture?]
L 31-33, assumes that the two other estuaries are compromised, but not yet established.
L 41-42, the fisheries comment seems peripheral, without any other substantiating information, but rather a mention of oyster production. Perhaps a broader reference to ‘aquatic fishery resources.’
L 43, …Essential for the survival of aquatic animals and plants, oxygen levels… [plants generate oxygen and are not compromised by lower dissolved oxygen]
L 50, also from advection of adjacent higher oxygen waters.
L 52, suggest “other aerobic organisms” instead of “decomposing organisms” Are the organisms doing the decomposing, or are they decomposing themselves through organic respiration.
L 54, oxygen saturation may also be used to determine autotrophy, respiration, and overall net production…
L 59 …long-term evolution… Geologic, millennial, decades, post-industrial period? In time with increased reactive N in the ecosystem?
L 61, liquid and solid inputs from… Suggest “dissolved and particulate fluxes from…”
L63-55, long sentence with multiple ideas and no concise point
L 68-70 is not clear. This reviewer follows the meaning, but it is not well presented.
L 70-74 recognizes the difference between organic and inorganic suspended matter. Both are contained in the term SPM. The mineral turbidity or what is often considered the suspended sediments can be confounded by organic particulates in the form of phytoplankton, living and senescent, that may affect ‘turbidity.’
L 82, south-west in this sentence, versus north-east earlier in the manuscript. Are these geographic descriptors relevant to Bay of Biscay or the eastern coast of France?
L 94-95, suggest …. The tidal influence reaches 50 km upstream of the mouth but not further because of a dam at Saint-Savinien, which is opened during spring tides ….
L 99, is the word “longitudinally” necessary? The meaning is obscure, here and elsewhere.
L 102, “Bay of Marennes-Oléron” should be identified in Fig. 1. Any geographic location in the text should be identified in Fig. 1.
L 104, suggest…..The coastal fringe is more populated (80 to 100 inhabitants km-2) than the rural interior (40 to 60 inhabitants km-2). The largest….
L 108, words “low,” “good” for water quality, “all uses are satisfied on average…” need to be replaced with more appropriate descriptors.
AT THIS POINT, I WILL NOT MAKE ANY MORE WORDING SUGGESTIONS, UNLESS I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE MEANING.
L 150+ future recommendation, if a probe is available with sufficient cable, a vertical profile would be advantageous compared to 0.5 m below the surface for defining low oxygen conditions.
L 159, define concentration below which the water is considered “hypoxic.” From Fig. 1 appears to be 2 mg/l, which usually equates to 30% saturation, depending on the temperature and salinity.
L 160-165, long sentences could be shortened and more concise.
L 194, is it is difficult to understand a 82% saturation coupled with a 2.2 mg/L dissolved oxygen concentration.
L 200, are the oxygen values representative of 0.5 m below the surface?
I did not comment on the remainder of the manuscript but did read it. The comments would have continued as before. Just the main results; more concise; too many unnecessary details, unquantifiable terms. E.g., “rather similar” used twice to describe types of data, “rather dated.”