Articles | Volume 23, issue 3
https://doi.org/10.5194/bg-23-867-2026
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Seasonality of the North Pacific Oligotrophic Gyre area in the past two decades and a modelling perspective for the 21st century
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The current manuscript describes spatial-temporal changes in surface chlorophyll concentrations in the oligotrophic north pacific gyre as observed using satellite remote sensing data and as assessed using Earth System Models. The work adds to a body of literature on this topic by evaluating higher temporal resolution data that climatological annual average patterns assessed in earlier studies. I have a few comments.
1) I think it would be beneficial for the science community to avoid using the term ‘ocean desert’. The oligotrophic central ocean gyres are not comparable to deserts on land. The gyres are actually very biologically active and their water column net primary production is not much lower than, for example, mesotrophic systems. I recommend replacing ‘ocean desert’ with ‘oligotrophic ocean gyre’.
2) One of my primary concerns with this manuscript is that the analysis is based on spatial-temporal changes in surface chlorophyll concentration, and these are interpreted as reflecting phytoplankton biomass. Chlorophyll concentration, however, reflects both phytoplankton biomass and physiology (i.e., Chl:C) and the latter element reflects both nutrient availability and mixed layer light conditions. Distinguishing these factors controlling chlorophyll concentration is important as it can fundamentally impact the interpretation of observations. For example, it should be assumed a priori that chlorophyll concentration will decrease in response to a shoaling of the mixed layer and/or increasing incident sunlight (even in the total absence of change in nutrient availability or phytoplankton biomass) simply because phytoplankton will adjust Chl:C in response to changing mixed layer light levels (i.e., photoacclimation). One can easily envision that the strong seasonal cycle in surface chlorophyll concentration reported in this manuscript is entirely due to this photoacclimation response and may have nothing to do with changes in phytoplankton biomass or nutrient vertical transport (see for example figure 2 in Behrenfeld et al. 2005 GLOBAL BIOGEOCHEMICAL CYCLES, VOL. 19, GB1006, doi:10.1029/2004GB002299). It can also be easily envisioned that the observed relationships between chlorophyll concentration and ENSO cycles likewise primarily reflects changes in mixed layer light levels. It is worthwhile noting here that the ENN used in this model includes solar radiation as a primary input (i.e., photoacclimation, not nutrient stress) and that the other two inputs (SST and wind stress curl) are also linked to variations in mixed layer light levels. Unlike the photoacclimation response, it cannot be assumed a priori that mixed layer shoaling will result in a decrease in chlorophyll concentration due to a reduction in vertical nutrient transport (see for example: Lozier et al. 2011, GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 38, L18609, doi:10.1029/2011GL049414).
The accurate interpretation of mechanism driving observed surface chlorophyll concentrations is import throughout this manuscript. For example, a decrease in chlorophyll due to photoacclimation to higher mixed layer light levels is expected to be associated with either unchanged or increased primary production, not a decrease. Another example is that a photoacclimation-based chlorophyll response makes the evaluation of phytoplankton ‘blooms’ in the oligotrophic north pacific gyre very questionable. The term ‘bloom’ is usually associated with a significant change in phytoplankton biomass, not a seasonal change in light driven (or nutrient-driven for that matter) change in Chl:C. Thus, without carefully distinguishing light-, nutrient-, and biomass-driven changes in chlorophyll concentration, the section of the manuscript regarding bloom properties is compromised. It may also be noted here that the more common NPOD_WHY feature shown in figure 4 is consistent with photoacclimation to winter minima in mixed layer light levels and that the less common NPOD_SHY also corresponds (according to the authors) to regions where summer mixed layer depths are high (i.e., lower light). The importance of light- versus nutrient-driven chlorophyll changes also compromises the validity of the conceptual model presented in figure 7.
3) It is noteworthy that a decrease in surface chlorophyll concentration will correspond to a decrease in mixed layer light attenuation coefficients, causing submixed layer light levels to increase and thus submixed layer primary production to increase, again questioning the quantitative significance of surface chlorophyll concentration changes to overall productivity.
4) Figure 3 provides an interesting analysis of temporal trends in chlorophyll concentration, but it seems it would be useful to also show an overall time series of these trends. Figure 3b does this to a degree in a monthly-resolved manner, but there is no indication in this panel which of the monthly trends are statistically significant.
5) In figure 2 and as discussed in the text, changes in summer NPOD area between El Nino and La Nina conditions are not widespread but rather primarily isolated to the two regions indicated in figure 2. It is therefore not clear to me why the influence of ENSO was evaluated based on physical properties averaged over the entire NPOD (line 200). Why wasn’t this analysis focused on physical changes only in the areas where ENSO effects are seen? If the assessed changes in physical properties are representative of the entire NPOD, why are there no changes in chlorophyll concentration observed over the entire region?
6) It seems to me that the manuscript is a bit critical of the Earth System Model results without being equally critical of the ENN results. For example, how reliable are the ENN predictions about future change when the ENN is built from hindcast data that doesn’t take into account future changes in major ocean physical features (e.g., a potential northward movement in the location of the Kuroshio current) that provide critical constraints on the potential areal extent of the oligotrophic north pacific gyre? I think a more balanced evaluation of strengths and weakness of different approaches is warranted.
Minor comments:
7) the light colored symbols and lines in figure 1 are nearly impossible to see. I suggest bolder colors. Same issue in figure 2 regarding the La Nina lines.
8) the black contours in figure 4 are not defined in the caption.